TO DO OR NOT TO DO? ETHICS

[blownalky3]

Lets say this is indeed a small world and someone who screws you years ago never sending your part, wants to now purchase something from you, having zero clue as to who you are. Lets say this person has actually screwed many people out of their money or parts and after recouping said personal screwing, there would be $750+ left over. The question of the day is do I . :lol: ...............................

A) SEND REMAINING MONEY TO UNBIASED THIRD PARTY TO REFUND OTHERS SCREWED BY THIS PERSON. MANY CASES ARE VERIFIED AND REFUNDS I AM SURE WOULD BE WELCOMED?

B) DO BUSINESS AS USUAL AND SEND THE PARTS PAID FOR BY SAID THIEF EVEN THOUGH HE OWES YOU AND HAS SCREWED MANY?

C) REFUSE TO DO BUSINESS WITH THIS PERSON BASED ON PRINCIPAL?

Might be kinda funny to turn the tables, but I am not quite sure I could do it. Thoughts?????????????????????????????????????????? ????

[DirkaDirka]

That is a tough one.

I think what I would do is take their money like they did mine and not send them parts and whatever left over refund peole with it. But that is just me. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[outlaw256]

take him!!! when you get the money tell him thank you for the refund, now if you would like this part i have for sale please send some more.

[Scorpion1110]

Lets say this is indeed a small world and someone who screws you years ago never sending your part, wants to now purchase something from you, having zero clue as to who you are. Lets say this person has actually screwed many people out of their money or parts and after recouping said personal screwing, there would be $750+ left over. The question of the day is do I . :lol: ...............................

A) SEND REMAINING MONEY TO UNBIASED THIRD PARTY TO REFUND OTHERS SCREWED BY THIS PERSON. MANY CASES ARE VERIFIED AND REFUNDS I AM SURE WOULD BE WELCOMED?

B) DO BUSINESS AS USUAL AND SEND THE PARTS PAID FOR BY SAID THIEF EVEN THOUGH HE OWES YOU AND HAS SCREWED MANY?

C) REFUSE TO DO BUSINESS WITH THIS PERSON BASED ON PRINCIPAL?

Might be kinda funny to turn the tables, but I am not quite sure I could do it. Thoughts?????????????????????????????????????????? ????

Blown:

You know Scammers cry exceptionally loud. Especially if you have the audacity to rectify the scam situation; how dare you.

Its almost a guarantee that this guy will whine, maybe post here, pound his chest, tell you he's an important man in the community etc. He might even contact Law Enforcement to see what its like to be on the other side.

With that said, and assuming you have verifiable documentation, what would a business do? What would the IRS do?

If you owe something to a business, have an Accounts Payable; what you send goes to your outstanding balance, and the delta goes to your new purchase.

If you treat it as a business transaction, sell him the part, apply his payment to amounts do and payable, and invoice him for the difference.

Id like to see him attack that in Court- very difficult for him to do.

But at least he will whine louder.

Scorp

[hollowayshotrods]

Blown,
Stick it to him man!! Like Scorp said, if you have that documentation of an outstanding balance the past due must be deducted and the rest applied to his new transaction. Just be careful to remain within the confines of the law, although I know you would love to repay some of the scammers victims. I would also notify everyone you know he scammed to let them know he has a "store" credit after completing the current transaction, maybe they can petition the courts for their share. I cannot imagine the amount of satisfaction you will get for doing this.
I can't wait for that to unfold! The scammer getting a taste of his own medicine. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
This right here should be proof that IT DOES come back around to you, good or bad. I don't believe in fairy tales or ghosts, but I dang sure believe in karma!

[BEAST477]

Can we all say restitution? I would give him what he has coming. Tell him thank you for bringing his account up to date and if he would still like to purchase the desired item, this is the remaining balance. Oh and turn up the volume so we can all hear him whine.

[jdracecars]

Lets say this is indeed a small world and someone who screws you years ago never sending your part, wants to now purchase something from you, having zero clue as to who you are. Lets say this person has actually screwed many people out of their money or parts and after recouping said personal screwing, there would be $750+ left over. The question of the day is do I . :lol: ...............................

A) SEND REMAINING MONEY TO UNBIASED THIRD PARTY TO REFUND OTHERS SCREWED BY THIS PERSON. MANY CASES ARE VERIFIED AND REFUNDS I AM SURE WOULD BE WELCOMED?

B) DO BUSINESS AS USUAL AND SEND THE PARTS PAID FOR BY SAID THIEF EVEN THOUGH HE OWES YOU AND HAS SCREWED MANY?

C) REFUSE TO DO BUSINESS WITH THIS PERSON BASED ON PRINCIPAL?

Might be kinda funny to turn the tables, but I am not quite sure I could do it. Thoughts?????????????????????????????????????????? ????

Blown:

You know Scammers cry exceptionally loud. Especially if you have the audacity to rectify the scam situation; how dare you.

Its almost a guarantee that this guy will whine, maybe post here, pound his chest, tell you he's an important man in the community etc. He might even contact Law Enforcement to see what its like to be on the other side.

With that said, and assuming you have verifiable documentation, what would a business do? What would the IRS do?

If you owe something to a business, have an Accounts Payable; what you send goes to your outstanding balance, and the delta goes to your new purchase.

If you treat it as a business transaction, sell him the part, apply his payment to amounts do and payable, and invoice him for the difference.

Id like to see him attack that in Court- very difficult for him to do.

But at least he will whine louder.

Scorp

Very well stated and outlined scorp. If you proceed as scorp stated most judges in any court or law enforcement agent will see right through the cry baby scammer and realize he or she's finally getting a little of her own medicine.

As for the ethics involved, your just applying their money to past due debts. Kinda like the guy that owes everyone money but you still hear or see him going out to dinner two to three times a week at a fancy restuarants. When you question his practices, he simply replies, "well a man's gotta eat doesn't he?" Well heres an idea. Go to an inexpensive restuarant and use the money your saving to atleast make an attempt to make good on your debts.

Just my thoughts!!

LINE EM UP AND LETS RACE!!

[mopar1968]

I would sale the part as i would anyone else :!: :!: If you do screw him then you are no better than he is, That put's you in the same place he is a ''SCAMMER'' :!: :!: Just a thought :!: :!:



''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

[suicidebomb]

(1) I believe you'd be taking money, on a false pretext.

(2)If you do business with him, and don't get your money on the first deal, you'd be putting the shaft to yourself.

(3) I vote for "don't do business with him"

I really don't see how you could hold the "moral high ground", and still do business, with him.JMO I would confront him about the past deal,bet your last dollar on that.

That being said, I don't disagree with anyone on this thread.
GOOD LUCK

[mytmouz]

Karma is a b$#ch. I would take it and apply it to what he previously owed, deduct the rest for interest on the old balance, and tell him to go fly a kite...

[bjuice]

at the end of the day you have to be able to Sleep with your decision.

with that Said i think the choice you make should be simple to figure out.

Good luck

[Scooterz]

Blown: PRAY ABOUT THIS... the correct answer will come... justice is the Lords.... not ours. I am not going to give you an armchair-quarterback answer... as I may consider ripping him off too. Pray & be silent...

[dak697]

This is a tough one to answer, basically everyone wants a pound of flesh/revenge for getting taken advantage of this first time.

Personally, I would remember this ... fool me once shame on you..fool me twice shame on me.

I would refuse to do business with him. and I would tell him exactly why I would not. Not the colorfull expanation but the You did not ship parts I paid for.

[scorpio601]

I would do like Scorp said...I would take what he owes me from a past deal (if i had the proper documents to prove it) Then i would inform him of who he has sent the money to and why you are holding onto part of it, then tell him if he still wants the item he would have to pay the balance oweing. ..Yes id love to see the person get what he deserved but 2 wrongs dont make a right...but ya...id be keeping the money he owed me 4sure.

Life would be just sooo much better if people were honest, we are all racers and cant afford to waist money sending it to people who are going to rip us off intentially. Thank god but so far i have bought alot of stuff off of Racingjunk, and ive been blessed with dealing with great people everytime, I dread the day that someone rips me off and stops me from racing due to taking my money without sending me the parts.

[blownalky3]

I wish I was the type to screw him back, but my conscience would not allow me to return the favor. It is mind boggling he continues to do business and has not got his head stomped into the ground. And here is the very best part of my deal with him! I actually won my dispute with paypal on the item he never shipped. So they had to refund my credit card, but used my bank account attached to paypal to reclaim the funds because they were unable to collect from himmer (he or she). How is that for some shiizzit. That is why paypal had to change their policies. It robbed people of their rights when using a credit card. Too late for me, but good in the end

[BEAST477]

After thinking it over, I would let him know that I had dealt with him in the past, And that he still owes me, then tell him to go ahead and send your money and I will put it toward your past due balance. Then if you would like to send the difference you will then get your part. If not keep your money and go elsewhere.

[oldcarparts]

if he owes you then you have every right to collect that debt. deduct what that amount is from what he sends you, then remind him of the previous deal and tell him you are even at that point and if he wishes to purchase the current item from you then he has a balance due. give him a reasonable amount of time to follow thru and if he does not then return his remaining money via a method that requires a signature by him and him only (I would deduct any fees required for his refund also). I would photo copy everything, money order or check from him and any refund going back to him for proof of the transaction. keep everything in a file and wait for his next move.

[wlpatterson]

All you folks that vote to take the high road & let him slide apparently have'nt been had?? I Pray for the day one of the peckerheads that have ripped me off gives me the chance to get even--I cant think of a single thing in this old world that would prevent me from hosing him as good as I could (especially Guilt!)& Im the kind of guy that would Flaunt it!! As For the scumbags that have screwed me,I hope your reading this & remember me Because I sure as hell remember everyone of you!! Im as honest as anyone you have ever met & I have trouble understanding you guys that rush to forgive these pieces of crap that cant be a contributer to the world..Nothing & I MEAN NOTHING Is as sorry as a thief!!! Is this whats happened to the world? All the peace loving forgiving people here want to talk all the Criminals & terriosts to death??I can forgive alot of mistakes but a thief isnt one of them--JMO

[MEMRACING62]

x2, wlpatterson :!: :!:

[RonOwensRacing]

I can relate to this problem it has been three months since i dealt with a customer and he must have forgot who he called.

What happened was he purchased a set of comp rockers and fab .valve covers from me 45 days from the time he purchased he calls me and says that he cant use this style of valve covers and would like to exchange them for another style the moroso style were the bolts go through the top of the valve cover so i told him return the ones he purchased if he has never used them and i will exchange them for him he says he needs them for the weekend to go racing and could he ship those back and me ship the new ones i agreed to it and went ahead and shipped the new covers.

Well i got the ones back but he had cut three holes in the covers and bent the top of one and when i got a hold of him and told him about it he said that i still could sell them to somebody that needed a vacuum pump fitting in them .

here is my return policy.

Return policy For Ron Owens Racing

Ron Owens Racing has a no questions asked return policy. We will gladly accept your return on any unused merchandise under the following conditions :
Merchandise must not have been installed
Merchandise must return to us in original packaging
Merchandise must be returned within 30 days of purchase date
We will issue a refund for the total amount of your returned merchandise within a 30 day period of the original purchase date.

We DO NOT refund original shipping charges or shipping charges to return the merchandise to us.

Any questions should be directed to [email protected]

We Are Located at 1661 glens Dr
Florence KY 41042

Thank You Ron Owens Racing

Today he called me again and i got to tell him that i wouldnt do any kind of Business with him and reminded him why

Sorry for such a long story but thought it was kind of fitting.

[zipper06]

I believe the original post was what's ethical and what's not. I watched this thread all day, and a lot of people had different ideas. I've been here about 3 yrs. and have made a lot of friends who i value very much. I bought parts from people on here, and told them i would take them and would send a check out tomorrow, some of these people have sent the parts that arrieved on the same day that the check arrieved, others have sent parts to see if they would work and if they did send them a check. Fortunately i haven't been screwed by anyone and i would never think of screwed anyone. If i had been i may feel differently about this question. I hate a thief and am dealing with one who lives 15 miles from me right now. I sold him a short block for $1200.00, he only had $900.00 at the time, that was in March, he said i'll pay you the bal. next week, it's now 7 months and no bal. he's ran the motor all summer. He's also the Mayor of a small town 15 miles away. Will i ever get my money? hopefully. Now i feel for the original poster who got screwed, but i could not stoop as low as the one who screwd him yrs. ago.
I would just let him know how i felt and refuse to deal with him, unless i really needed to sell the parts he wants. If that were the case i would go ahead and sell the parts, but also mention that he did screw me in the past, which i'm not happy about.
Let you concious, be your guide, you have too live with yourself.

JMO

Zip.

[RonOwensRacing]

Zip that is what i was saying in sorts i had the pleasure to tell this guy that i wouldnt sell to him because i trusted him and he got me on my parts when it came down to it i was out a more expensive set of valve covers plus the shipping but today justice kinda .

I feel for the man and it is a tuff call but like you said you have to live with yourself and you want to feel good about your choice trust yourself and god.

[mopar1968]

Yeah ''Patterson'' I sure have been had alot of people here know's what happened, I lost three carbs, but oh well their gone, But as we all know Right is Right and Wrong is Wrong :!: :!: Don't live in the past :!: :!: Either sell or just Ignore him :!: :!:


''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

[blownalky3]

My thought all along has been to just simply not do business with this person. I wanted to get some opinions on possibly helping some of the many people that got screwed. Believe me, many sites, many people. I wrote off the past long ago, but this person is one of the many Energizer Bunnies who keeps on doing the crime and NEVER does the time. I think it would be hilarious to put them in their own shoes for once, but I am just not that guy. As I said in my previous threads, my word is my word and even sweet revenge can't change that. There are a ton of great people out there who are a pleasure to deal with, so I will wait to sell to one of those people. Until then, it will remain a garage ornament.

[hollowayshotrods]

Let 'em slide :!: :!: When hell freezes over :!:

If you stop and analyze this correctly (IMO), this is an outstanding balance for products provided.

How many of you use electricity from your local power company? Do you buy groceries in the grocery store? Fill up at the local gas station? I want you guys that don't believe the guy should be held RESPONSIBLE for his actions to try this experiment.

Go into the power company, the gas station and the grocery store. Write checks for your stuff, let them bounce and count how many just tear up the check because they are not "at your level". Go in the next month and pay again using checks (if they will take it), if it clears, you can bet your last buffalo nickel that the previous balance will come right off the top.

Don't make your truck payment for three months, I am sure the bank will just forget about it.

If someone doesn't want to do business with me because I have an "eye for an eye" attitude, then so be it. What I do know is if I am EVER given the opportunity to recover anything stolen or conned from me, I WILL! Traderguy,if you are reading this, I have some stuff to sell, just send me some cash :!: :x
I can guarantee you I wouldn't lose one wink of sleep, in fact I would sleep better knowing I recovered my money/goods.

I have no idea how, or why a person would feel guilt in recovering their stolen property or stolen money. We work way to hard here to just let some thief take our money and then pat him on his back and load him up with forgiveness.

Like I said, nothing more than a business transaction.

I really have alot of respect for everyone that has posted on this matter, I just have my opinion and you have yours.

[suicidebomb]

I don't want to be mis-understood, in this matter: IN NO WAY, DO I SUGGEST CODDLING, OR FORGIVING A THIEF. I AM NOT A "TURN THE OTHER CHEEK" KIND OF GUY, PERIOD.

I also believe in karma, I just have other methods for getting even is all, y'all have your ways, I have mine. I believe the first chance to get even, ain't necessarily the best chance, and if it ain't the best chance, karma will provide a guy, with another oppurtunity. Im a firm beliver in an old Sicilian proverb: Vengeance, is a delicious dish, best served cold.

[MEMRACING62]

i would say karma is at work here, this azz seems to have screwed over enough people that he cant even remember who he has delt with . I would have him send his money, then do the honest thing and send him back the difference with a statment of funds distributed on his account. rudy said it best ( let it slide when hell freezes over) . that goes for little boys that write notes crying about how crappy there life is and justify screwing a guy out of a dist . :evil: no sympathy for deadbeat scammers with me :evil:

[Scooterz]

The fact that the original post has been made & the author is considering all of the options prior to acting makes me respect him a great deal. Can't tell you how many times I have made a bad thing WORSE b/c of a spiteful spirit of revenge... It is my humble opinion that the word "karma" is the handy work of the devil & God depending on the application... just like "Lucky" to me really translates to "blessed". The fact this situation has wound up back in the hands of someone who got ripped off is a part of a larger plan... you can call it Karma, or whatever you want. Bottom line is, don't blow this. Follow your heart & I am serious... pray about it. I GUARANTEE the answer will come out... maybe one you never even thought of. This is an opportunity for growth beyond what appears at face value.