do not deal with StrokersGraphics aka ace sutton in tennesse

[pintoracer]

this guy asked me to do a carb trade with him which we agreed to i sent him my carb on june 2 fed ex tracking #045766310186041 it was delivered he was to ship me his carb when he got the tracking number which was june 2nd also, HE WILL NOT ANSWER THE PHONE OR MESSAGES i hate doing this but i dont have much choice i have all the messages if anyone is interested to bad everyone cant be honest

[ashbros]

Post them, its always a good idea to put all the laundry on the table.

[Scooterz]

Yep, I am w/ ashbros on that one too. That is FLAGRANT theft when they simply don't even try to make things right.

[Tod74]

How much you want to bet the guy gets on here and says the carb he recieved wasn't as promised and or it is junk, therefore he kept his? Not sying that's true, just what I figure he will claim. we have seen it before.

[pintoracer]

On [2009-05-31 23:13:52] pintoracer wrote:
> ok works for me let me know a shipping address so i can get it out to you mine is 3618 zion rd. ill probably send it out on tuesday evening and send you a tracking number and i trust you to do the same thanks darren
>
> On [2009-05-31 19:02:43] StrokersGraphics wrote:
> > here is the part number can be found on jegs
> >
> > Barry Grant #132-8838020GC
> >
> > On [2009-05-29 15:27:15] pintoracer wrote:
> > > is it a good working carb also is it the one with interchangable venturies and what is the part number thanks
> > >
> > > On [2009-05-29 14:08:54] StrokersGraphics wrote:
> > > > at the bottom of this page you will see view racespace open it up and you will see the carb, the vent tubes got damaged in shipping when i bought the carb but i have brand new stainless ones for it.
> > > >
> > > > On [2009-05-29 14:03:50] pintoracer wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > possible shoot me a pic of it to [email protected] thanks
> > > > > On [2009-05-29 13:59:36] StrokersGraphics wrote:
> > > > > > would you be interested in trading for my 1195 cfm King Demon "gas"

[pintoracer]

yes i will ship it the same as you, once i see your tracking number mine will be shipped you have my word on that.
hmmmm i sent tracking # and he got carb next day it was a hp 1000cfm nice carb i dont deal in junk

[pintoracer]

the carb will be shipped tomorrow i will give you the tracking number

On [2009-06-05 16:02:35] pintoracer wrote:
> hey just checking in to see if you got the tracking number i sent and if you have shipped the carb yet thanks darren
my carb was ad #1559186 i think its still viewable

[pintoracer]

got my carb back today after several attempts to contact mr sutton I STILL WOULD NOT DEAL WITH THIS DISHONEST PIECE OF CRAP

[StrokersGraphics]

to all, i wasn't trying to be dishonest of anything like that. I ended up getting a trade for my complete car, once i made the car trade i sent this member his carb back and apologized for it. I also spent my money and bought him some new (never used) carb fittings for his carb to try and at least give him something he didn't have already. say what you will but i have made several trades on racingjunk this is the first unhappy person. here is what i sent last to him and his reply. this will be my only post on here.


From: pintoracer To: StrokersGraphics Date: 2009-06-16 16:22:29
Subject: Re: RJ RaceSpace: carb

got carb back today thanks for wasting my time we had a deal that you gave your word on this is not it i see now what kind of person i am dealing with a true piece of crap ill put on the scammers forum that i finally got at least something out of you dont bother replying to this as i will be blocking you from contacting me also do other people a favor and dont make any deals on here your not gonna stand behind oh and be sure to give them your word cause it is not worth shit darren
On [2009-06-15 19:15:05] StrokersGraphics wrote:
> here is the tracking number, 468645610118969
>
> i sent your carb back due to a trade on cars i just did, i am sorry for the long delay. also i bought two fuel fittings for your carb new $26.00 and sent them with your carb. you can have those thats the least i can do.

[robinhorn]

I have to ask, within the 24 hours of him sending you his carb and you stating you would send yours the same time when you got his tracking number. Ummm what happen that you still had the carb. It should have been shipped right. That would mean if you had planned to ship you carb it would have been off the car, boxed and ready to go.

Then you have time to buy two new fittings all in 24 hours... WOW. how about this, you got his carb and wanted to try it and if it was better then yours it was a deal if not then back it went, well maybe it would go back.

It appears to me this guy allowed you to borrow his carb and not by his choice.

Care to share the persons name how bought the car?

Any proof that trade took place.

I just don't like people seem to leave parts of the story out

[StrokersGraphics]

if you want proof of the trade look at the pics in my racespace.

[robinhorn]

So the pics on your race page is going to answer all the open questions. Cool I will go to it now.

Or are you going to answer the main question as to Why you did not send your carb when you said you would. Also appears you keep his carb for some time correct. Did you ship it back the next day after he sent it to you??? Seems not based on the post.

Why not? Did you traded within that small window from the time from when he sent you his carb and the person came over to trade. Did you know the person wanted to trade prior to him sending you the carb? Did you call and ask him if was ok to tade the card because remember it was not his carb because your new carb was on it's way.

If not then it reports as this, you and him agree to trade carbs and the deal is you both send them at the same time. well within 24 hours, I know you was waiting on his tracking number and if he sent it late in the day you could have to wait until the next morning. So you agree and he sends his and a tracking number, out of the clear blue sky someone comes to you within that small window from the time he sent his carb to you and you shipping your carb to him. All the while the carb is off the car and boxed ready to be shipped correct. You make a trade of the car and the carb that is in the box ready for the mail but now goes with the car... correct. Then you receive his carb hold on to it and then buy new fittings for him after you have already traded the whole car. WOW I can belive that... :roll: You buy them because he did not have any per your words... how in the heck do you know what he has, you will not even call him to tell him the deal is off. But you know what kind of fittings he needs... wow can I borrow that crystal ball, I only have a few things to ask it.... :lol:

Why the dely in shipping his carb back? why not contact him? let me guess out of town with no phone or internet... on a sub???? lost in the woods, come on what is it.... we wait did you wake up naked and your butt hurt... Did you see the UFO

Look, take ownership and state what you did for real and be a man about it. The guy called you out and your weak answer at best is not cutting it with me.

For one time i would like someone to stand up and say "Yep I lied but I did make it right"

23 Years of fraud inverstgations behind me i can poke holes in these stories all day long. The few I have posted about have just hit me wrong.

OWN UP to what you did. That's all any of us ask of you people who lie cheat and steal. Your day will come... I have seen it happen many times over. You think you can get away with it forever but your DEAD Wrong.

I wait your answers SIR

[pintoracer]

the bottom line to me is that he was gonna keep the carb until i raised nine kinds of hell on the internet emailed his employer at memphis motorsports park, sent a friend of mine by his house in tenn.(oh you cant get to him he lives on the navel base) there was no reason mr sutton can give as to almost 3 weeks of silence other than he is a liar and a thief i hope everyone reads about his shi--y dealings thanks to all that helped on this matter

[StrokersGraphics]

The both of you are full of crap, here is exactly what happened. I made the carb deal with pinto and while his was in the air i made the deal with the nova. I wasn't sure if the nova deal was going to happen, so yes i did hang on to the carb for around 2 weeks (that's my fault) once the nova deal went thru I mailed pinto's carb back to him. I at no time had any thought of keeping the carb and keeping my carb. You can say what ever you want. Emailing my work didn't hurt me at all THEY KNOW ME and know i'm good decent person. This was all bad timing on my part. IF I WANTED TO KEEP YOUR CARB I COULD HAVE. I felt bad about the whole ordeal and gave you the carb fittings and if your too damn dumb to see that the fittings have never been used and that they weren't even tight then your a dumbass. THIS IS MY LAST POST.

[ARUSSELL]

You still did not answer why you never responded to Pinto, If you wernt sure the deal would go through, shouldnt you have let him know, hey dude I ant send your carb yet, in the mail as soon as possible. saying this is your last post, is the same as running with your tail between your legs.

[mopar1968]

I agree why didn't you do that?

''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

[robinhorn]

Like I said... YOUR full of crap. Sorry but you never was going to send your carb as he did. The deal was he mails his you mail yours bottom line.

Your lies will only make matters worse, YOU keep his carb for 2 weeks and no contact.

Still no replies to my questions.... Please show me I am full of it,

Bring it....

Just tell the truth and never again trade or sell on here and our work is done.

[StrokersGraphics]

I told you all the truth. Pinto sent me his carb on the 2nd of june and received it back in his arms on the 16th that is about two weeks.

i backed out on the deal "re-nig" as some might say. I never scammed him. If i would have scammed him he wouldn't have his carb in his hands.

[pintoracer]

ya you could have kept it and been sued and probably kicked out of the navy hey facts dont lie and here they are 1 we agreed to trade and ship at the same time I DID YOU DIDNT 2 i called you probably 100 times NO ANSWER NEVER CALLED ME BACK i sent many messages only answered 1 telling me you were gonna ship carb next day and send me tracking # THIS WAS A LIE i wrote your wife a letter and talked to her today(seems like a nice lady) and she new nothing about any of this hmmmm bottom line is i did everthing i told you i was gonna do EXACTLY as i said. as anyone who reads this thread can see you are a liar and a thief no decent person acts and treats people the way you did me

[StrokersGraphics]

a thief would have kept your carb. i'm done with this bull. your angry and upset and i'm sorry for that. i didn't screw you over or scam you. yes you kept you end of the bargin and i'm sorry i had to send your carb back to you. you got two brand new parts out of the deal that wasn't in the deal to begin with. I sent them to you because I felt bad about how long I had your carb. Get over it already. Nothing you did or tried to do made me send the carb back. I did that out of my own self worth. There was no intention to lie or cheat you in any way. Again I apologize and I do agree with everyone about I should have returned your call. I left you with more than you intially sent so your fine and you'll be ok.

[mopar1968]

Will someone explain to me what is the big deal? The man got his carb back! If some of you will remember i traded carbs with a guy in Oregon about a year ago, never got his or my carb back, i agree there was probably too much time taken but he still got it back in the same condition, The way i see it he is damn lucky to ever see it again :!: :!: Was i going to drive to Oregon from Virginia to get it back :?: I don't think so and he knew it :!: :!:

''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

http://www.racingjunk.com/profile/163312

[mytmouz]

The big deal to me is a trade is a trade. Once the trade was made, he should not have gotten rid of the carb to someone else. And 2 new fittings do not make up for the time wasted, IMO...

[Tod74]

Will someone explain to me what is the big deal? The man got his carb back! If some of you will remember i traded carbs with a guy in Oregon about a year ago, never got his or my carb back, i agree there was probably too much time taken but he still got it back in the same condition, The way i see it he is damn lucky to ever see it again :!: :!: Was i going to drive to Oregon from Virginia to get it back :?: I don't think so and he knew it :!: :!:

''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

http://www.racingjunk.com/profile/163312

I remember that. You did a very honorable thing that should have been declined by the scumbag.

[mopar1968]

I do understand a trade is a trade, but my point is if the guy was a scammer, then he could have just kept the carb and oh well it would have been gone, Give him some credit, at least he did return it, I do understand he was late doing it, and he should have let parties envolved know what he was doing! I am not taking side's with anyone, don't know either person, all i am saying is at least credit him for returning it!!! The man has admitted he ''reniged'' on the deal, People has done that same thing to me, I haven't come on here posting threads about it!!!


''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

http://www.racingjunk.com/profile/163312

[lano]

StrokersGraphics keeps saying he isn't a thief, but everything points to the fact that he kept the free carb he received, wouldn't return emails or phone calls, but then the cat was let outa the bag, when Pintoracer made this thread.
Then StrokersGraphics decides he is going to get cought being a thief, so he finally gets cold feet, does the right thing and returns the carb.
The fact that he wouldn't return emails or phone calls makes this an easy one to figure out.

My .02 cents.

[StrokersGraphics]

Thanks MOPAR for at least one person on here reading and understanding.

To the other people.

For one all you know is what's typed on this forum, you don't know that I returned and shipped the carb back to pinto and that he received his carb before posting this thread. if you would read what I have posted you could have seen the post where I apologized to pinto and told him that I shipped his carb back, he then sent me an email stating that he received his carb and was placing me on the scammer watch forum. He had has carb back before he placed this post. Nothing he did made me ship him his carb.

[mytmouz]

A trade is a trade...

[robinhorn]

Look you did not do what you said you was going to do and that was ship the carb. Then you made some reason why, the deal was you and him were to ship at the same time not him ship you his and then weeks later you ship him his back.

I just don't like people who lie, your first post to me seemed like a lie. Sorry but whn you do not do what you said it was a lie.

You did explain youself and that was my last post but don't come on here ahd hang on one guys post about you not doing wrong. You did but did the right thing and sent it back.

I will move on.

[nopro]

Thanks MOPAR for at least one person on here reading and understanding.

To the other people.

For one all you know is what's typed on this forum, you don't know that I returned and shipped the carb back to pinto and that he received his carb before posting this thread. if you would read what I have posted you could have seen the post where I apologized to pinto and told him that I shipped his carb back, he then sent me an email stating that he received his carb and was placing me on the scammer watch forum. He had has carb back before he placed this post. Nothing he did made me ship him his carb.. HE POSTED on the 12th you said he got it the 16th. i know mil. time is diff. but not like that

[MEMRACING62]

this thread = dead horse :?

[mopar1968]

I agree, It's not getting nowhere, both say ''UNCLE'' and forget it :!: :!:


''JUST MY TWO CENT'S WORTH''

[pintoracer]

ok bottom line is i have learned a lesson i got carb back and now sold it so all is well that ends well JUST DONT TRUST ANYONES WORD IT USED TO MEAN ALOT THESE DAYS IT AINT WORTH A CRAP thanks to all