Subject: Semper Fi

[fla1976]

'THE Axis of Idiots'


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Jimmy Carter, you are the father of the Islamic Nazi movement. You threw the Shah under the bus, welcomed the Ayatollah home, and then lacked the spine to confront the terrorists when they took our embassy and our people hostage. You're the runner-in-chief.


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Bill Clinton, you played ring around the Lewinsky while the terrorists were at war with us. You got us into a fight with them in Somalia and then you ran from it. Your weak-willed responses to the U.S. S. Cole and the First Trade Center Bombing and Our Embassy Bombings emboldened the killers. Each time you failed to respond adequately, they grew bolder, until 9/11/2001.


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John Kerry, dishonesty is your most prominent attribute. You lied about American Soldiers in Vietnam . Your military service, like your life, is more fiction than fact. You've accused our military of terrorizing women and children in Iraq . You called Iraq the wrong war, wrong place, wrong time, the same words you used to describe Vietnam . You're a fake.. You want to run from Iraq and abandon the Iraqis to murderers just as you did to the Vietnamese. Iraq, like Vietnam, is another war that you were for, before you were against it.


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John Murtha, you said our military was broken. You said we can't win militarily in Iraq . You accused United States Marines of cold-blooded murder without proof and said we should redeploy to Okinawa . Okinawa, John ? And the Democrats call you their military expert! Are you sure you didn't suffer a traumatic brain injury while you were off building your war hero resume? You're a sad, pitiable, corrupt and washed up politician. You're not a Marine, sir. You wouldn't amount to a good pimple on a real Marine's butt. You're a phony and a disgrace. Run away, John .

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Dick Durbin, you accused our Soldiers at Guantanamo of being Nazis, tenders of Soviet style gulags and as bad as the regime of Pol Pot , who murdered two million of his own people after your party abandoned Southeast Asia to the Communists. Now you want to abandon the Iraqis to the same fate. History was not a good teacher for you, was it? Lord help us! See Dick run.


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Ted Kennedy, for days on end you held poster-sized pictures from Abu Ghraib in front of any available television camera. Al Jazeera quoted you saying that Iraqi's torture chambers were open under new management. Did you see the news, Teddy? The Islamic Nazis demonstrated another beheading for you. If you truly supported our troops, you'd show the world poster-sized pictures of that atrocity and demand the annihilation of it. Your legislation stripping support from the South Vietnamese led to a communist victory there. You're a bloated, drunken fool bent on repeating the same historical blunder that turned freedom-seeking people over to homicidal, genocidal maniacs. To paraphrase John Murtha, all while sitting on your wide, gin-soaked rear-end in Washington

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Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Carl Levine, Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, Russ Feingold, Hillary Clinton, Pat Leahy, Barack Obama, Chuck Schumer, the Hollywood Leftist morons, et al, ad nauseam: Every time you stand in front of television cameras and broadcast to the Islamic Nazis that we went to war because our President lied, that the war is wrong and our Soldiers are torturers, that we should leave Iraq, you give the Islamic butchers - the same ones that tortured and mutilated American Soldiers - cause to think that we'll run away again, and all they have to do is hang on a little longer.. It is inevitable that we, the infidels, will have to defeat the Islamic jihadists. Better to do it now on their turf, than later on ours after they have gained both strength and momentum.

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American news media, the New York Times particularly: Each time you publish stories about national defense secrets and our intelligence gathering methods, you become one united with the sub-human pieces of camel dung that torture and mutilate the bodies of American Soldiers. You can't strike up the courage to publish cartoons, but you can help Al Qaeda destroy my country. Actually, you are more dangerous to us than Al Qaeda is. Think about that each time you face Mecca to admire your Pulitzer.

You are America 's 'AXIS OF IDIOTS.' Your Collective Stupidity will destroy us. Self-serving politics and terrorist-abetting news scoops are more important to you than our national security or the lives of innocent civilians and Soldiers. It bothers you that defending ourselves gets in the way of your elitist sport of politics and your ignorant editorializing. There is as much blood on your hands as is on the hands of murdering terrorists. Don't ever doubt that. Your frolics will only serve to extend this war as they extended Vietnam . If you want our Soldiers home as you claim, knock off the crap and try supporting your country ahead of supporting your silly political aims and aiding our enemies.

Yes, I'm questioning your patriotism. Your loyalty ends with self. I'm also questioning why you're stealing air that decent Americans could be breathing. You don't deserve the protection of our men and women in uniform.. You need to run away from this war, this country. Leave the war to the people who have the will to see it through and the country to people who are willing to defend it.


Our country has two enemies: Those who want to destroy us from the outside and those who attempt it from within.

Semper Fi,

J. D. Pendry - Sergeant Major, USMC, Retired



Subject: Semper Fi

[Scooterz]

Major JD Pendry says it well.... from Jimmy Carter to Pelosi. Each one has caused prolems for us. may God help us all... we are in big trouble with these blithering idiot leaders. Scoot

[TheYellaBrick]

Major JD Pendry says it well.... from Jimmy Carter to Pelosi. Each one has caused prolems for us. may God help us all... we are in big trouble with these blithering idiot leaders. Scoot

No offense but I take offense when ANYone calls the current administration....'leaders'.....leaders they are NOT. Leaders lead by example and believe in their country and her peoples. GOOD Leaders have BEEN in the trenches and lead FROM the trenches with total RESPECT for those who WORK in the trenches.
Scoot, we need to start makin' noise,..so much noise that 'they' can no longer ignore U.S.. Slow the BASTIDS down NOW so we can flush the whole crooked bunch come 2010. Support the folks in D.C. who are actually fighting the GOOD fight against this bunch of anti-America / Capitalism / Freedom.....*%&#@?+<#@!!! .....individuals. Tea bags are only the first shot GANG !

[Scooterz]

Double/D,

I am in. Sometimes I don't know what I can do or what to say & who to say it to when it comes to STUPID agendas, policies, bills, etc... but I will keep making noise as long as you do too. I will be sending a tea bag to DC too!! Scooter

[TheYellaBrick]

HERE'S ANOTHER GRASS ROOTS WAY TO LET U.S. BE HEARD;


http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/22802/?ck=1

http://www.the912project.com/

[MEMRACING62]

GOT MY TEA BAG READY & PASSING IT ON!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

[signsbyesa]

J. D. Pendry - Sergeant Major, USMC, Retired
sir i salute you sir, and thank you that i can sleep safe at nite,
and my family is safe because of your duty and the part of life
you gave up for our country. your post was "fantastic" i wish
congress, pres, gov. could read your post because it is true.
it realy seem these idiots are out to ruin america, i am worried.
we need to look out for one another and our gov. right now is
our worst enemy, Murtha is a war hero and acts like a communist
towards his own country, and to all vets, thank you for your
service and your sons service as well, the gov. does not take care
of our vets coming home, take care of our boys, godspeed :cry:
i wish mccain would have been our leader, he deserved it
after being a prisoner, obama did not eve serve

[radicalz]

Major JD Pendry says it well.... from Jimmy Carter to Pelosi. Each one has caused prolems for us. may God help us all... we are in big trouble with these blithering idiot leaders. Scoot

No offense but I take offense when ANYone calls the current administration....'leaders'.....leaders they are NOT. Leaders lead by example and believe in their country and her peoples. GOOD Leaders have BEEN in the trenches and lead FROM the trenches with total RESPECT for those who WORK in the trenches.
Scoot, we need to start makin' noise,..so much noise that 'they' can no longer ignore U.S.. Slow the BASTIDS down NOW so we can flush the whole crooked bunch come 2010. Support the folks in D.C. who are actually fighting the GOOD fight against this bunch of anti-America / Capitalism / Freedom.....*%&#@?+<#@!!! .....individuals. Tea bags are only the first shot GANG !


Maybe it is just me here....but ummm even you people say you're pariotic here, slandering public officials is a crime...is it not...OMG remember you guys had your time in Washington DC you were so corrupt and inept at the job at hand....the banks started to fail, the financial system in this country was on the verge of collapse and ol Georgy and Dicky said ...."The Fundamentals of our Economy was strong...." Your chosen candidate John McCain espoused those same words....Now you cant stand the fact that the country has chosen a new leader and leadership....and you all are coming unglued and unhinged....just sad :oops: :oops: ...I'll pray for all of you to be enlightend even Rush....because you dont spell team with an "I"...... :roll:

[TheYellaBrick]

radical, you just don't get it do ya ?

[radicalz]

radical, you just don't get it do ya ?


Oh I get it....it is the same fear mongering and slander that this country just went thru and then elected a new leader on November 4, 2008 by a majority....remember that...it seems to me if cant stand with our new President in a time of war and economic turmoil...it is you that doesn't truely get it....I'm sorry I cant agree with you on this

[outlaw256]

radicalz, buddy you need to back up and read and look at whats happenning all around you.remember this that hitler was also favored by the majority of the people of germany.until it was to late.the people(not all) that are now in control of our country got there by lying to us to get us to vote for them then they do as they please.did you not see obama refuse to put his hand over his heart. or stop wearing the american flag pin on his lapel or get off a plane and not acknowlge the soldiers that came to see him just up and run not a wave or a word.that man has no patroitism in him.he and his family remind me of the beverly hillbillys came to washington.but hes smart enough to get in the whitehouse but hes has already started backtracking on his campain promises.

[MEMRACING62]

X2, HE IS THE ENEMY FROM WITHIN. THEY NEED TO BE STOPPED! THEY WILL BE STOPPED!! THEY ARE SHOWING THERE TRUE AGENDA NOW !! :x :x :x

[signsbyesa]

i guess radical forgot how much mudd was directed at bush when he
was our pres, remember how much crap he took for the wall on the
border he passed and demos like polosi called it another berlin wall,
remember, well now that the threat of drug lords and killings are
coming over the border, well you guessed it, now the demos are
saying, "its a good thing we have that wall up", yea, i wanted to give
obama my support, but he has not kept his promise which got him
in on "change", earmarks, bailouts, he won't let the public vote on
any decision because obama said," when they voted for me, they
voted for what ever i do", sounds like "hugo chavez",
and i have seen his big supporters now are very disapoiinted, he wants terriost called, "freedom fighters" the only ones happy with his
performance so far are polosi and terriost
good luck, :?

[TheYellaBrick]

radical,
Read this and ask your self if YOU believe in them and if YOUR 'leaders' believe in them;

9 Principles
1. America Is Good.

2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.
God “The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the external rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained.” from George Washington’s first Inaugural address.

3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
Honesty “I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider to be the most enviable of all titles, the character of an honest man.” George Washington

4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.
Marriage/Family “It is in the love of one’s family only that heartfelt happiness is know. By a law of our nature, we cannot be happy without the endearing connections of a family.” Thomas Jefferson

5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
Justice “I deem one of the essential principles of our government… equal and exact justice to all men of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political.” Thomas Jefferson

6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
Life, Liberty, & The Pursuit of Happiness “Everyone has a natural right to choose that vocation in life which he thinks most likely to give him comfortable subsistence.” Thomas Jefferson

7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
Charity “It is not everyone who asketh that deserveth charity; all however, are worth of the inquiry or the deserving may suffer.” George Washington

8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
On your right to disagree “In a free and republican government, you cannot restrain the voice of the multitude; every man will speak as he thinks, or more properly without thinking.” George Washington

9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.
Who works for whom? “I consider the people who constitute a society or a nation as the source of all authority in that nation.” Thomas Jefferson

[Scooterz]

Radicaz... I am sorry but you are BRIAN WASHED. I posted on another thread here that said: "I gave him (Obama) a chance & I AM DONE NOW". I think we can all say that we might have given him a chance... but in a few short months, look at who he positions himself with, what agendas he has, & HOW MUCH MONEY he is promoting we WASTE while the American man drowns. It is time TO STAND UP & SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Radical- that is not one bit of sladering our so called "leaders".... it is the truth. You are a very BRAVE person to come on here & say we are just sore over the loss of an election... Man, WAKE UP!!

It would be easy for Radical to say we are a bunch of sore & ignorant gear-heads who play off each others veiws, but I challenge Radical to convince us of what Obama & Company is doing to bring peace, WEALTH, security, & FREEDOM to our country in his few short months... ON THE CONTRARY MY FRIEND. Past administrations aside, the new agenda is WWWWAAAYY off track. To me, you sound BUTT HURT about our past leaders & want to blame the current mess on them. That my friend is very typical of a liberal Obama supporter. "It was thier fault".... classic.

Oulaw is right- as a world, we have choose some bad leaders such as Hitler... I WILL BE DAMNED if I will stand in the gas chamber with Obama's destructive plans. Stick around Radical, lets talk in a year or so about this subject again & see if you want your name associated with Obama's plan. Now don't COP OUT & SAY I HAVE JUST OVER-SIMPLIFIED what is going on either. You may know a few things about politics & our government, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE A BLITHERING IDIOT to not see his socialized agenda raping America already. When you are told you make too much money, you no longer have the second amendment right, you trade in your classic project for the "cash for clunkers" program, you are taxed for every mile you drive, etc... all the while you GRANDKIDS pay for Obama's spending & borrowing plans... to only have elete criminals freed from Guantanimo bay & Pelosi telling you your home is too big & you should be taxed for that too... meanwhile your friends are losing thier jobs & independent local buisnesses can't afford the new "Greenhouse" taxes they incur plus they have to redistribute more taxes for the lazy & unmotivated... just to name a few things... AT THAT POINT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU COME ON HERE & SAY "SUPPORT OBAMA & GOVERNMENT"

Double/D: I am with you on this, signs, Hemi, Outlaw, fla1976, and everyone who feels the same... we will not be told by anyone that we need to support or follow these pathetic & misguided political/government idiots... WE CAN CHOOSE TO WALK IN THE GOVERNMENTS GAS CHAMBER THIS TIME OR NOT... or we can go down fighting for our country. My voice will be heard. Radicalz I would like you to look me in the eye & tell me that you think our youth is going to be okay becuse of the CURRENT administrations plans... because we/they are in big trouble. Please, your comments are insulting peoples intelligence. Scooter

[signsbyesa]

amen :wink:

[MEMRACING62]

X2 AMEN :wink:

[outlaw256]

this is my country and i WILL NOT GIVE HER TO THE SOCIALIST in washington.i will fight even tho im a cripple i can still shoot.i will NOT give up my guns. i will NOT give up my gas guzzling cars. i will NOT give up anything.i have worked hard for what little i have and i will be damned if i give up one red cent.i used to think the milta thing was crazy but now im ready to support some of them because i really believe we are living in the last days of our freedom.they have made me a outlaw by passing laws against what was once legal.they sit up there passing laws everyday. how many laws havto pass before we are all outlaws. im not ignorant. i know we need laws for check and balances. but they are moving into my life and i will not have it.uniforms for school kids in PUBLIC schools. look at germany in the 30s.what happened to our muscle cars? government got into the car buisness back in the 70s.why are kids so screwed up today. because they passed laws telling me i cant bust my kids ass for breaking the neighbors windows.(they didnt really)why cant i get the medicenei need to keep this damn pain under control. because a few dr,s give it out to easy.but i have to suffer.did you know that in the 60s a few of our good people in washington wanted to outlaw long hair on men because of hippies and bikers.i have to spend a fortune in dr. bills to get some pain releif but a know many people in the same pain clinic that can work and some work for cash only but dont pay a penny because they play the system and good old uncle sam pays it for them.im tired and angry. and im getting angier as time goes on.they give my money away in foreion aid feedind people that will kill my friends in the military the first chance they get.and now they want more of my money. NO

[signsbyesa]

i agree outlaw,
1) this socialist, it scares me when "hugo chavez" invites obama
to join him in "spreading socialism" bad.
2) it is bad when good tax paying americans are refused, can't afford,
or don't qualify for medical attention, when billions every yr are
spent on medical care for ileagals, and thats not just from mexico,
also asia, europe, south america, all over. and were talking, liver
transplants, to a broken arm, its a problem.
3) and most of the foreign money sent to 3rd worlds most ends up
in the pockets of the statemen, very little gets to the needy,
the gov. in africa lives on steak and limos, but the citizens drink
infested mud water and we just keep giving, what became of the
$900 mil we gave pakistan? cheese pizzas :?

[TheYellaBrick]

YOU THINK YOU'RE PISSED NOW ?

I see Civil Unrest this summer gang !

TheMessiah is ENCOURAGING the illegals to join UNIONS !

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/18/pelosi-tells-illegal-immigrants-work-site-raids-american/ :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x

:xhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB123741378746277081.html

[Scooterz]

Quote Radicalz:

Maybe it is just me here....but ummm even you people say you're pariotic here, slandering public officials is a crime...is it not...OMG remember you guys had your time in Washington DC you were so corrupt and inept at the job at hand....the banks started to fail, the financial system in this country was on the verge of collapse and ol Georgy and Dicky said ...."The Fundamentals of our Economy was strong...." Your chosen candidate John McCain espoused those same words....Now you cant stand the fact that the country has chosen a new leader and leadership....and you all are coming unglued and unhinged....just sad :oops: :oops: ...I'll pray for all of you to be enlightend even Rush....because you dont spell team with an "I"...... :roll:[/quote]



There is not time to be ignorant, or to wait by the sidelines in silence. It is time to fight for what has made this country so great... freedom!! I will not support this administration & thier socialist agenda. I will not hold back, nor to I have to respect thier views... IF I PAY ONE DIME OF SOCIAL SECURITY TO AN ILLEGAL, then I know this country will be at the lowest low. We are already told BY THIS ADMINISTRATION that our taxes will now go to post-term abortion!! What is really bad is that Doctors & nurses can be repremanded for rufusing abortion services!! OK, that crosses a MAJOR LINE w/ me. No offense Radicalz, but you are saying that you support the government running our lives under this administration???? If so, YOU CAN BE A PART OF THAT "TEAM"... personally, "I" & "WE" here on this thread believe in freedom & "freedom of speech". Slander is the act of giving false & derogitory info about somone... which is a speciality of many politicians... infact, watch a debate or two... they make a GAME of it. As i said, you are brave to come on here & say that you will pray for us... I would re-think that if i were you. Scooter

[Tod74]

No offense but I take offense when ANYone calls the current administration....'leaders'.....leaders they are NOT. Leaders lead by example !

Yep..lead by example.. Just like George Bush did when he didn't go to Vietnam.(or show up for his National Gaurd Duty)

Yeah what a leader. :roll:

Well NO offense but I take offense to ANYONE who thinks that MY OPINION or any other American's is some how inferior to THEIR opinion just because THEY don't agree with it.

I take offense to a President that does the things Bush has done the last 8 years.I support our troops %100 but I think they are there for the wrong reasons and that's all I will say on that because I do not want to be disrespectful to them or their families, they are heros.

I voted for John McCain and I hate most of Obamas plans but some of you guys act like the current situation is his fault...this mess started years ago...All I ever heard the last few years was how unpatriotic it was to be against Bush in a time of War and it was impossible to support the troops and not Support the commander in Chief...well the shoe is on the other foot now and the people who were so Patriotic the last 8 years are now crying like children because they don't agree with the choice the country made..and they should thank The Bush Administration for that...In my opinion people elected Obama because they didn't want another Bush, and that's what they feared they would get with McCain.
Like him or not he is our new leader and he should be given a chance to do his job.

Sorry fellas I don't mean to be disrespectfull but it we're all in this shit together and constantly bitch'n and moaning about a President that just took office and hasn't had a chance to prove, or disprove himself , is going to solve anything.

[TheYellaBrick]

I don't recall seeing ANYone on this forum defending Bush except for his absolute love and respect for our military and the SAFETY of these United States. He sucked BIGTIME in just about every other area.
The current..... 'president' will NEVER have my respect in any way, shape or form because of his POLICIES. I Am REVERENT of the OFFICE of the presidency but NOT THIS individual sitting in there, just as when Clinton was in there.
YOUR president BarryO and his cohorts are literally killing the capitalist system of business and commerce, just for their goal of absolute POWER.
This is America and we still have the FREEDOM of speech....at least until BarryO's teleprompter tells him to take Freedom of Speech away.

[TheYellaBrick]

Tod,
Doesn't ANY of this stuff concern you?.....

.....http://drudgereport.com/

[TheYellaBrick]

Govt. paper on how to 'recognize' militia and domestic terrorists



http://www.scribd.com/doc/13290698/The-Modern-Militia-MovementMissouri-MIAC-Strategic-Report-20Feb09-

[Tod74]

Tod,
Doesn't ANY of this stuff concern you?.....

.....http://drudgereport.com/

ALL OF IT CONCERNS ME!! I didn't vote for Obama!! I am sick of paying for freeloaders. I am single with no children so I already get the shit taxed out of me I can't wait to see what it will be now!! I make a little over 50k a year and paid in 14k taxes last year...2006 I made 56k and paid in over 15...both years I got back about 1500 at tax time. Meanwhile my coworker paid in 8 k and gets back 6k of it!! he has kids and a wife that doesn't work.And a new house etc etc. Not my problem he chose that not me why should I have to pay so much more because I choose not to have children? I know he needs money to feed them so don't crucify me on that I'm just saying.....nevermind.

My only point was some people are hypocrites and are doing what they critisized the tree huggers for while Bush was in office.

I didn't read that link yet I am at work but I will later....
sorry if I offended you.

[outlaw256]

yea tod74, you pissed me off but good.but i have a great respect for your opinion and your right to exspress it.i might be wrong but i didnt see anyone yelling go bush go.he was a idiot.but i loved his patriotism.i dont see any of that in obama.what i do see is a socialist.and its becoming more apparent every day.i dont think there has been a good president since reagan.sorry boys but the day he got elected i found a job.and i had been looking for awhile.though i did like pappa bush.anyway obama is going to take us down a very dangerous road and im afraid there is no u turns allowed on this road.i see riots.crime increasing even more drug abuse and a hell of a lot more killings in our future.for some reason i cant seem to get germany and hitler out of my mind lately.obama does remind me of him alot.watch him and listen to him and maybe you will see.hey tod i do understand what you were saying.i m not mad anymore. i dont even know what you said that made me mad.sorry .we still ok?

[Tod74]

I don't recall seeing ANYone on this forum defending Bush except for his absolute love and respect for our military and the SAFETY of these United States. He sucked BIGTIME in just about every other area.
The current..... 'president' will NEVER have my respect in any way, shape or form because of his POLICIES. I Am REVERENT of the OFFICE of the presidency but NOT THIS individual sitting in there, just as when Clinton was in there.
YOUR president BarryO and his cohorts are literally killing the capitalist system of business and commerce, just for their goal of absolute POWER.
This is America and we still have the FREEDOM of speech....at least until BarryO's teleprompter tells him to take Freedom of Speech away.

Who said anything about your freedom of speech? YOU said you took offense to ANYONE calling the current leadership leaders...because YOU don't believe in their policies... Those are your words not mine. So anyone who doesn't share YOUR political opinion shouldn't express it because YOU take offense to it?

All I said was
Well NO offense but I take offense to ANYONE who thinks that MY OPINION or any other American's is some how inferior to THEIR opinion just because THEY don't agree with it."

You have free speech say whatever you want...it is your right. The guy who referred to Obama as a leader has the exact same right....but you find his opinion offensive therefore he shouldn't post it.... My point was What gives you or anyone else the right to express their opinion but not him? It is sorta comical to me that you would refer to Obama as "MY" president like I am on here giving him praise or something...I didn't vote for that idiot and I have made that very clear more than once. I happen to agree with you about Obama's Policies...that wasn't the issue.The issue was you acting as if YOUR OPINION was the only one that matters. If I misunderstood you on this then I apologize.


On the topic of members defending Bush... I admit you are right...I don't suppose anyone on here did act as if Bush was such a great President...I should have said they were defending their conservative/republican beliefs in general rather than say they were defending GWBush

I'm going to bed now. I gota go back in to work tonight to earn more taxes.....there is an unemployed lady accross the street who needs the money.She is almost out of cigaretts because none of the fathers of her children paid any support this week and her boyfriend won't let her have any of the money they got from selling her food stamps.....apparently Spreading the wealth around only applies if you actually EARN the money..

[TheYellaBrick]

Tod,
Show me the exact wording where I say that no one else's opinion matters and that they should NOT express them ? hhmmmmmm?? You are looking so hard for something that is not there, that you find it anyway !

I personally welcome differing opinions and civil discourse based on FACTS and LOGIC, not FICTION and EMOTIONS.

The facts are, our Govt has been spiraling down at a rapidly increasing rate ever since Reagan's last day in office. The current 'leader' of the 'free' world is pushing HARD for a Socialist system in OUR country. He is fomenting class warfare in 'hopes' of being 'forced' to order martial law(POWER over the PEOPLE not BY the PEOPLE).

[Scooterz]

Okay Guys-

Lets settle down... I am guilty of the "politics & religion" debates here too. The only thing I have defended here is that the CURRENT ADMINISTRATION has plans I do not approve of, like, that are damaging to you & I. I mention nothing about Bush, or the past administrations... just what is happening now BECAUSE OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. Tod is right, we are in this together. I say "pick a side" & stand on it... never more important than now. I did not appreciate being told that I was a sore-ass over the last election or that I am slandering our so called "leaders" & that I should be a "team player" for the current administrations blunders so far in the first 2 short months. Tod, I respect you... especially when you speak up on your own. I want no hard feelings for any of us because I think we are in the same boat. Scoot

[radicalz]

Tod,
Doesn't ANY of this stuff concern you?.....

.....http://drudgereport.com/

:roll: :roll: ...now I know where you are getting your info from....from the Fixed News Channel...the Drudge report what a joke :roll: :roll:

[radicalz]

Tod,
Show me the exact wording where I say that no one else's opinion matters and that they should NOT express them ? hhmmmmmm?? You are looking so hard for something that is not there, that you find it anyway !

I personally welcome differing opinions and civil discourse based on FACTS and LOGIC, not FICTION and EMOTIONS.

The facts are, our Govt has been spiraling down at a rapidly increasing rate ever since Reagan's last day in office. The current 'leader' of the 'free' world is pushing HARD for a Socialist system in OUR country. He is fomenting class warfare in 'hopes' of being 'forced' to order martial law(POWER over the PEOPLE not BY the PEOPLE).

:D :D You know nobody is going to be hurded or rounded up....no body is going to take your guns...it is ok....we are trying to return back to normal after the last eight years of special education we had under GW.....you have to realize how special he was..... :roll: :roll: ..."C" student at Harvard Business School...who in the early eighties ran 3 companies into bankruptcy.....and got away with fleecing the stock holders of millions....he and Dickey had their hands in the Enron debaucle...but you did not here their names because of Daddy Bush....he then gets us into a war...an illegal war in Iraq....I also support our troops...heaven knows we have to....then the lil focker...slips out the back door to the 'RANCH'....and goes on a book selling tour on how he fleeced the American people...now less than 100 days into a new regime....you people are back at it...those damn DEMS....SORRY But you lost....it time to take ourt country back from people like you and your supporters....I lived 8 years under LORD RETARD and DARTH DEATH...enough, they focked our country til we were blue in the face....i cannot believe you want to go back to that.....we, the DEMS are not the problem...the problem is CORPORATE AMERICA....who is getting richer by the day from MY HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS....Places like Walmart, AIG, Bear and Stearns, Citi Bank, Merrill Lynch.....those are the places and their CEO's, CFO's that you should be mad as hell at.....until the are FEDERALLY REGULATED that will not change....I want my 85% of AIG in the hangman's noose :evil:

[Scooterz]

Radical(z):

You are completely out to lunch. Now that you have ran your mouth a little more, I now understand your type all too well. I was just trying to say "calm down" & your comments got me fired up again. I see why some people say they don't talk about politics & religion!!

1. No one here is defending GW. Nor are they defending his past much. Not once have I spoke aboput GW... you might just remember he kept our country safe after we were attacked on 9/11 however. I would say you sound more like a Liberal... quick to blame past Repubicans/leaders for the issues today. If you want to play that game, check out what the Clinton Administration did to the mortgage industry such as Fannie/Freddie Mac... Hypocrite. BTW, I am an IDEPENDANT now...because I am for the rights & freedom of the people, not our government.

2. The common denominator here is that people are saying the CURRENT ADMINISTRATION that you support is doing ALOT of damage in just a few short months. In addition, the priorities of that administration are sickening. Come back here in a year & tell me how much you appreciate them... you are in denial big time!! If you don't think Obama & company are not working hard to remove our guns step by little step right now, then you are blind & ignorant. Now there is a top priority while our economy is crumbling!! Anyways, if you do not think our youth are in trouble, or our freedom is being comprimised, our Constitution is at risk, OUR POCKET BOOKS, & excessive taxation is not in our horizon, then you are just simply dense. I have not even mentioned about WHERE our taxes will be used since the election of Obama... on a spiritual level, he has crossed the line into abosolute SOCIALISM. I can not blame you for voting for him, because people like you need a leader like Obama. It is not different than a sheep needing somone to tend to them... they don't want to think for themselves. That is where you & I are different: I believe in the American Spirit & the deeds of the people in this country. Be it free trade, LESS government, prosperity, HARD WORK, freedom, honoring God & including him in all things, etc... what I think you are saying is that you support: big government (fix it, so I don't have too), more laws that prohibit freedom, socialised systems for those who are lazy & think they are "owed" something, more legislation, banning guns (becuse they "Kill"... not the person behind it), legalize abortion & impose penalties to those who decline the act of MURDERING innocent lives (yeah, check that one with your administration), Tax the hard working, give to the poor, then just tax the hell out of everyone else, blow FANTASTIC amounts of money & call it a "stimulis plan" while our country can't even recover from its current economic state, etc... that is what we are faced with. I do not support Obama, like him, respect what he is doing, etc... you can have him. You are right, people wanted "change" & they are going to get it. Do your homework before you come on here talking like you think we need to clean up the last "8 years"... look at what is in front of your face. Please, most people around here are not going to agree with your BS. Look at the facts Dick Tracey.

[outlaw256]

go scooter!!!the last couple yrs.its been hard for mr to express what i think.(that damn wreck again) anyway you have ht iton the head.thanks my friend you have said it for me.when people cannot see what is happenening all around them then they will pay for their ignorance.i have seen this comung for a long time and no one would listen to me.our country is very young. but we are making mistakes that killed older governments. look how long the roman empire lasted. we will never last near that long. not as a free nation anyway.our government has moved to the very edge of socialism. on more step and we are their.these dumbas- people blame corporate america for our troubles. if it wasnt for corporate america there would be no free enterprise. no chance for profit, then no reason for buisness, no buisness, no jobs no jobs no nothing.everytime government steps in to save the day the screw up what ever they try to save. the best government is the lest government. thomas jefferson said it.damn was he ever right.

[Tod74]

Tod,
Show me the exact wording where I say that no one else's opinion matters and that they should NOT express them ? ).

You were responding to Rigsby. Even though you weren't attacking him(for lack of a better phrase) to me it shows your mindset on this matter...It's .like you are saying " I take offense to this so you are out of line by posting it" Anyone can post anything they want as long as it doesn't violate the forum rules....none of which say I have to agree with you.Like I said if I took that wrong I'm sorry..but that's how I took it. I'm just as pissed off as anyone with the situation today NO MATTER Who's fault it is...We have no work in our shop...they laid people off Friday and the rest of us are working a 32 hour week...and it doesn't look like it is going to get better any time soon...but I still get to help pay for the freeloaders.


No offense but I take offense when ANYone calls the current administration....'leaders'.....leaders they are NOT. Leaders lead by example !

[Scooterz]

I see what you are saying Tod. I blew off that comment as Double/D being passonate about the subject... even though some may have taken offense to it, I did not not.

What chaps me is when someone like Radicalz tries to predict everyones past, present & future w/ his narrow & ignorant political views...

Outlaw: Although you & vary in age, we are not so different. I appreciate the kind of American you are... we need more like you. Scooter

[radicalz]

I see what you are saying Tod. I blew off that comment as Double/D being passonate about the subject... even though some may have taken offense to it, I did not not.

What chaps me is when someone like Radicalz tries to predict everyones past, present & future w/ his narrow & ignorant political views...

Outlaw: Although you & vary in age, we are not so different. I appreciate the kind of American you are... we need more like you. Scooter

:roll: :roll: Is that what you guys are doing now....What chaps me is when someone like Radicalz tries to predict everyones past, present & future w/ his narrow & ignorant political views...you guys have already come to a conclusion without seeing the facts...he, Obama, has only been in office less than 100 days and you guys think that this mess we are in is his fault?....smoke a little more gents because the blindness you are expeirencing is Bush installed.....talk about this when he gets a couple of years in or maybe we should impeach now...would that solve it? :roll: :roll:

[fla1976]

In my opinion, Jefferson was probably one of the wisest of the presidents.
Jefferson in some cases could be called a prophet.



When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe .
Thomas Jefferson



The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson



It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.
Thomas Jefferson





I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson





My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Thomas Jefferson



No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
Thomas Jefferson



The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson



The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson



To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson




Very Interesting Quote


In light of the present financial crisis, it's interesting to read what Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:

'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.'

[Tod74]

I don't think anyone is blaming OBAMA fort this economic mess...I think they/we are just alarmed at his proposed solutions. I agree with you that he hasn't been in office long enough to tell yet...but I just don't agree with his policies at all. In my opinion much of our problems today started back when Clinton was in office. Things were great then...however, the whole deal with the government getting involved in the mortgage industry.."EVERYONE DESERVES TO OWN A HOME" ...well sure they do...but only if they can pay for it.little to No money down and variable interest rates sound great, until the interest rate goes up and you can no longer pay the mortgage...which is what has happened. JMO I am by far no financial expert by any means...don't claim to be.



:roll: :roll: Is that what you guys are doing now....What chaps me is when someone like Radicalz tries to predict everyones past, present & future w/ his narrow & ignorant political views...you guys have already come to a conclusion without seeing the facts...he, Obama, has only been in office less than 100 days and you guys think that this mess we are in is his fault?....smoke a little more gents because the blindness you are expeirencing is Bush installed.....talk about this when he gets a couple of years in or maybe we should impeach now...would that solve it? :roll: :roll:

[MEMRACING62]

tod, absolutly. everyone should own a home after they make the life style choice to save the money for the down payment. to often today people spend there money on crap . I lived in and apartment in a building i ran for four years , had two jobs & worked six and sometimes seven days a week . When i bought my house the interest rate was 13 percent , It was hard to make the payments at that time(no new cars & expensive anything). what i am getting at is WHEN YA BUST YOUR ASS TO SAVE FOR SOMTHING YA AINT GONNA LET IT GO. from about 2002 we get people comming in to rent apartments that have crap credit 3 & 4 evictions (have bought stuff and never even made a single payment). we turn them down and there response is ( are you for real?). people have got use to getting something for nothing , its no wonder why things are the way they are. in cook county now when we get a tenant that does not pay the rent it takes about five to six months to get them out because the courts & sheriffs dept feel sorry for the deadbeat. we had to lay off a couple of guys just to make gas bills taxes and all the other expenses. how the hell does cook county think we can pay the realestate taxes without people paying the rent for six months? :? :?

[Scooterz]

I think many of can say that we are worried about the misguided direction of the current administration. THIS IS THE MAIN ISSUE WE ARE TRYING TO CONVEY (Radicalz). We are not talking about Bush or the last 8 years... you are. What we are saying is that the direction & goals of the current administration is what concerns us. It really is not about Republican or Democrat really; I have friends that are Democrat that believe we are in trouble right now... because of Obama & company. Do you trust Pelosi's goals/actions???? Come on, this crap they are doing is Anti-American. In just over 2 months!!! Look at the the agenda in JUST 2 months!!! Think about what he can do in 4 years. I am sorry, I am no part of that Socialist team of wealth-destructive liberal morons. Open your eyes Radical & look at the purposed agenda they have & tell me you think that will help our country!! Scooter

[MEMRACING62]

x2 rigsby. people get hung up on party name. the modern democratic party has nothing in common with the party that kennedy belonged to. that goes for liberal republicans that vote with the democratic of today. they have nothing in common with the party of ronald reagan. both parties need a good cleaning out of these people that dont respect our constution and value our security as priority one!!!

[radicalz]

I guess all I'm saying is lets see what they have first...like I said nobody is going to take your guns I have mine also...thank you very much...these people need our help not critisism....hell I been working for 30 years and where has it gotten me, my 401K tanked....will have to keep working....and the people you should be directing this to is the rich people on Wall Street and the top 1% who are still taking your money....call it legalized stealing and the Dem's are trying to stop it....just ask how rich Boehner and his croniies are now..... :wink: :wink:

[outlaw256]

glad i aint rich. sure would hate for everybody to hate me.i guess we are suppose to hate all them rich people cause thats all i ever here now days .glad im dirt poor now cause ill be loved by the masses.i cant wait till there aint no more rich people. and we are all the same.and we all live in the same kid of huts and we all ride the same kind of horse(im not riding mine, im gonna eat him.)cant rob no bank with my knife(law got my guns)cause there aint no more banks.no nead for them anymore.my government check buys just what i need. not enough to put in any old bank.sure im glad thay teach my kids in school how bad that damn freedom was. how people use to have to work for their money.and would have to save some of it to buy a house.and if they couldnt save non they didnt get a house. how awful.sure am glad my kids get to wear uniforms to school.wouldnt want the rest of the kids fighting over their clothes.sure im glad they are teaching them that being homosexual is ok.sure wouldnt want them to think just a man and woman should marry.sure im glad aint no god anymore . what the hell were we thinking?prayer in school. how awful.yep. sure im glad obama took us all to socialism. now we are all poor and just even as hell.

[signsbyesa]

well obama wants our kids to go to a gov. military controled schools
and be called "volunteers" to be trained in gov. rules, and obama
wants a, "National Civilian security enforcment group" now that
realy sounds like germany many yrs ago, all we need is gung ho
obama civilian security telling me what i should do, scary :shock:

[MEMRACING62]

x2. marks would be so proud!! :( :(

[TheYellaBrick]

Yeah, right...give the 'man' a chance to prove himself......

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE52M2RG20090323

[TheYellaBrick]

Tod,
Doesn't ANY of this stuff concern you?.....

.....http://drudgereport.com/

:roll: :roll: ...now I know where you are getting your info from....from the Fixed News Channel...the Drudge report what a joke :roll: :roll:

Well, it's very obvious that you are one of those diversified, equality reins, understanding, and nonjudgemental libs who do NOT practice what they preach. If you had actually READ any of the news stories on the Drudge report(one of MANY news sources I read daily),you'd see that the news stories that are posted are from ALL OVER THE FREEKIN WORLD FROM MANY DIFFERENT SOURCES !! You libs do not even research but just spout out what NPR, CNN, and PMSNBC tell you. I read them all and make MY OWN DEDUCTIONS !!

[TheYellaBrick]

YEPPERS, GIVE THIS ADMINISTRATION A CHANCE


http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/columnists/article5950258.ece?openComment=true

[Scooterz]

"Politic's & Religion..."

I see why many people here say the don't get involved with politics & religion.... it can cause division.

Do I really care if a fellow gearhead voted for Obama??? It is the fact that we are brothers in auto-performance indeed that brought us all together here on this site.

Somone else saw this dillema of politics & religion long ago causing the division & prolems it can create amoungst us... but I continue to get fired up each time these topics arise here. Other people here just don't chime in when we are at battle because of these topics. Those people know who they are & I commend you for your control. Back in 06' I did not join RJ to pound the keyboard in frustration about things I really don't have control over... helping a man come to know the lord is one thing, but arguing about the corrupt & flawed politic scene is completely another. If Radicalz & I never brought up politics, I am sure we would have more in common that we know. He is a fellow gear head!! I am just thinking out loud right now, so I am not going to tie in a solution/idea at the end of this post.... but I am sure I am not the only one who has considered this. I don't know guys... i sure don't want make advisaries in my life getting fired up about politics. I am Irish which is bad enough. Scooter

[TheYellaBrick]

Scoot,
You are 1000% correct. And I'm sure a great portion of us would be just a friendly bunch of car / racing folks when 'outside' the religion / politics discussions. This is still America and we are free to voice our opinions and I personally encourage civil discourse. I'm guilty as heck in getting fired up when a differing opinion starts the immature action of name calling and false accusations. I'm VERY passionate about our current 'situation' in OUR capital city when our NATION's very EXISTENCE is at such high risk. We have a very high probability in loosing the freedom of enjoying our car passions !

[Tod74]

I smashed three keyboards during our little back and forth.























jk. :P I do apologize for getting a bit upset...been a bad week.

[MEMRACING62]

32 hour pay checks will do that :P

[outlaw256]

i agree with you scooter 110%. i hate politics even though i have a few degreesin political science.i have not talked politics in years until i came here. but i hold back so much because then i start to sound like them buttheads on msnbc.also way to much typing for a one finger wanderer.i have lost a few friends over the years because of politics.all my fault because ive always been so passionate about whats best for my beloved country.we have wandered way to far from what america was suppose to be and im afraid we will never get back to where we belong.so to hell with talking about it. ill try to keep how i feel and whats the right way to go to myself. rad. z nice ride. i aint into camaros much but yours is well RAD. KEN

[Scooterz]

Well guys, i sure don't have the enswers... but I hate to see us get to hung up on varying opinions about politics. I do agree w/ Double/D though... feedom of speech, voice concerns, our country needs help, etc...
I think many of us feel the same way though... America is slipping. On the other hand, there is a fine line w/ politics that can create division between us. This division is not something from the God I worship... it is in fact from the opposite. Every once in a while I want to say that I am humble enough to admit that I am getting judgemental or not being fair. Scooter

[TheYellaBrick]

It's very frustrating and aggravating to me that We the People have let our political 'leaders' lead U.S. down this suicidal path which is dividing OUR country, families and friends. This is what happened with the Civil War(which sure wasn't very civil). We are ALL Americans and need to fight together to save this beacon of FREEDOM, OUR U.S.A.. Civil discourse and open minded discussions are needed NOW. Research the TRUTH from a variety of sources YOURSELF. Do not take to heart the words of only a limited number of news outlets. 90% of working and seriously concerned American citizens do NOT have the time to do that much needed research, which is what the socialists work on to destroy American Capitalism. The uninformed, uneducated, and lazy are VERY easy to fool and lead.

[Scooterz]

It's very frustrating and aggravating to me that We the People have let our political 'leaders' lead U.S. down this suicidal path which is dividing OUR country, families and friends. This is what happened with the Civil War(which sure wasn't very civil). We are ALL Americans and need to fight together to save this beacon of FREEDOM, OUR U.S.A.. Civil discourse and open minded discussions are needed NOW. Research the TRUTH from a variety of sources YOURSELF. Do not take to heart the words of only a limited number of news outlets. 90% of working and seriously concerned American citizens do NOT have the time to do that much needed research, which is what the socialists work on to destroy American Capitalism. The uninformed, uneducated, and lazy are VERY easy to fool and lead.

I have to give you an "AMEN" on that one. Scoot

[Tod74]

It's very frustrating and aggravating to me that We the People have let our political 'leaders' lead U.S. down this suicidal path which is dividing OUR country, families and friends. This is what happened with the Civil War(which sure wasn't very civil). We are ALL Americans and need to fight together to save this beacon of FREEDOM, OUR U.S.A.. Civil discourse and open minded discussions are needed NOW. Research the TRUTH from a variety of sources YOURSELF. Do not take to heart the words of only a limited number of news outlets. 90% of working and seriously concerned American citizens do NOT have the time to do that much needed research, which is what the socialists work on to destroy American Capitalism. The uninformed, uneducated, and lazy are VERY easy to fool and lead.

I have to give you an "AMEN" on that one. Scoot

ME TOO.

[outlaw256]

ok my friends, i have given this much consideration and i will talk politics and i will piss off people. and i will get excited. but while i do this i will prepare for a revolt because mark my words boys its coming. maybe not right away but i is coming.

[MEMRACING62]

LET IT OUT!!! to many people have kept our opinions to our self and that how the silent majority ended up with the leadership we now have!! the time to be silent is over!!

[TheYellaBrick]

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