View Full Version : Brad Penn racing oil has anyone ran it??
dparker
03-15-2009, 07:35 AM
Some of my friends running alcohol have told be I should switch to Brad Penn oil on alcohol. Saying that it doesn't mix with alcohol as easily as other racing oil. They said that even after a couple of races the oil still looked great, not milky, and still green. Has anyone ran this oil and seen a difference?[/b]
zipper06
03-15-2009, 07:46 AM
Hey Dean,
I've ran it but it's hard to get down in La., when i was up near Memphis no problem to get, and your friends are right it doesn't milk as bad as other oils. yrs. ago when i was running blown i ran Kendall oil before they changed the formula. Again shipping to here cost almost as much as the oil so i've had to change brands.
JMO
Zip.
We use to run it till they lowered the zinc in their oil now we switched to the http://www.cen-pe-co.com/ as it has 2300 PPM of zinc and is high in phosephate as well. And it seems to be a very common oil with race shops today
tcarda
03-15-2009, 08:36 AM
I have used Brad Penn through this past year, but as "hink" said they have lowered their zinc content. Almost all of the NTPA mod trucks are running cenpeco oil in their engines, and those engines are 650 cu in alchohol engines. It is very good oil! Brad Penn is good oil, but there is better out there. JMO. :D
dparker
03-15-2009, 09:11 AM
Some of the guys have went to walmart oil, saying that they're going to change after every race so it doesnt' get a chance to break down. I have a hard time making myself put walmart oil in a $10,000.00 engine. I have always ran Valvoline racing oil, I don't know why I guess it seemed to work for me. But since I've went to alcohol it seems to milk real fast. My vacuum pump is working well so I was looking for an oil that wouldn't mix with alcohol so easily, maybe giving my vacuum a chance to pull alittle more alcohol out.
lanham
03-15-2009, 05:05 PM
I use the Brad Penn oil.
hammertime
03-16-2009, 07:21 AM
VR1 10W30 or 20W50 either will be good with alky and no milky stuff.
Brad Penn is hard to get for me.
bbchevy
03-16-2009, 07:26 AM
Brad Penn OIL
Thats the Stuff I Use!
Tried Valvoline 25 Years ago with Alky,as soon as you Fire the Motor and shut it Off?It loooked Like a Vannilla Shake.I went to Kendall Nitro 70,well it seems that they were bought out by Penn?
Later
G 8)
Tod74
03-16-2009, 08:50 AM
Some of the guys have went to walmart oil, saying that they're going to change after every race so it doesnt' get a chance to break down. I have a hard time making myself put walmart oil in a $10,000.00 engine. I have always ran Valvoline racing oil, I don't know why I guess it seemed to work for me. But since I've went to alcohol it seems to milk real fast. My vacuum pump is working well so I was looking for an oil that wouldn't mix with alcohol so easily, maybe giving my vacuum a chance to pull alittle more alcohol out.
But the question is who makes the oil for Wal Mart? Valvoline is made by Ashland oil and I've been told that CARQUEST oil is just Valvoline in a CARQUEST bottle.
dparker
03-16-2009, 02:13 PM
I don't know but I heard Walmart was fined in California because their oil didn't spec out as advertised. :roll:
dparker
03-16-2009, 03:00 PM
We use to run it till they lowered the zinc in their oil now we switched to the http://www.cen-pe-co.com/ as it has 2300 PPM of zinc and is high in phosephate as well. And it seems to be a very common oil with race shops today
I visited with the vice president of Brad Penn today. He said they have not lowered the zinc or changed the formula. He said they used to be Kendal oil but the company sold the Kendal name. They got their new name from Bradford, PA.
In 1997, American Refining Group, Inc. (ARG), a privately held energy company headquartered in Philadelphia, PA, purchased the Kendall/Amalie refinery located in Bradford, PA, from Witco Corporation. As a result of the sale by Witco, of the Kendall® and Amalie® brands to a third party, a new name was given to the products produced at the site: Brad Penn® Premium Pennsylvania Grade Lubricants.
He also said that Cen-Pe-Co doesn't have a refinery their a blender of oils. He also said I can get the oil for around $5.00 a quart with shipping.
dparker
03-16-2009, 03:02 PM
Some of the guys have went to walmart oil, saying that they're going to change after every race so it doesnt' get a chance to break down. I have a hard time making myself put walmart oil in a $10,000.00 engine. I have always ran Valvoline racing oil, I don't know why I guess it seemed to work for me. But since I've went to alcohol it seems to milk real fast. My vacuum pump is working well so I was looking for an oil that wouldn't mix with alcohol so easily, maybe giving my vacuum a chance to pull alittle more alcohol out.
But the question is who makes the oil for Wal Mart? Valvoline is made by Ashland oil and I've been told that CARQUEST oil is just Valvoline in a CARQUEST bottle.
Warren Oil and they're a bottom feeder. Buying low grade oils to keep price down.
MEMRACING62
03-16-2009, 03:31 PM
any idea who makes napa oil?
lowbudget377
03-18-2009, 04:23 PM
i use castrol 20/50 in my alky motor - red line and a few others make the zinc / phosperas additives :lol: = VIC
hammertime
03-18-2009, 06:27 PM
any idea who makes napa oil?
valvoline
Scooterz
03-18-2009, 07:49 PM
I use Redline 20/50. It really doesn't matter what oil I used when I was expierencing ring-wash from a fat mixture!! That get expensive....
tcarda
03-19-2009, 03:24 AM
We use to run it till they lowered the zinc in their oil now we switched to the http://www.cen-pe-co.com/ as it has 2300 PPM of zinc and is high in phosephate as well. And it seems to be a very common oil with race shops today
I visited with the vice president of Brad Penn today. He said they have not lowered the zinc or changed the formula. He said they used to be Kendal oil but the company sold the Kendal name. They got their new name from Bradford, PA.
In 1997, American Refining Group, Inc. (ARG), a privately held energy company headquartered in Philadelphia, PA, purchased the Kendall/Amalie refinery located in Bradford, PA, from Witco Corporation. As a result of the sale by Witco, of the Kendall® and Amalie® brands to a third party, a new name was given to the products produced at the site: Brad Penn® Premium Pennsylvania Grade Lubricants.
He also said that Cen-Pe-Co doesn't have a refinery their a blender of oils. He also said I can get the oil for around $5.00 a quart with shipping.
Did the VP say how much zinc and phosphate is in the oil?
We use to run it till they lowered the zinc in their oil now we switched to the http://www.cen-pe-co.com/ as it has 2300 PPM of zinc and is high in phosephate as well. And it seems to be a very common oil with race shops today
I visited with the vice president of Brad Penn today. He said they have not lowered the zinc or changed the formula. He said they used to be Kendal oil but the company sold the Kendal name. They got their new name from Bradford, PA.
In 1997, American Refining Group, Inc. (ARG), a privately held energy company headquartered in Philadelphia, PA, purchased the Kendall/Amalie refinery located in Bradford, PA, from Witco Corporation. As a result of the sale by Witco, of the Kendall® and Amalie® brands to a third party, a new name was given to the products produced at the site: Brad Penn® Premium Pennsylvania Grade Lubricants.
He also said that Cen-Pe-Co doesn't have a refinery their a blender of oils. He also said I can get the oil for around $5.00 a quart with shipping.
Did the VP say how much zinc and phosphate is in the oil?
Beleive me it has been lowered or I would still be using it as I learned that at the PRI show 2 or 3 years ago.
dparker
03-19-2009, 06:36 AM
We use to run it till they lowered the zinc in their oil now we switched to the http://www.cen-pe-co.com/ as it has 2300 PPM of zinc and is high in phosephate as well. And it seems to be a very common oil with race shops today
I visited with the vice president of Brad Penn today. He said they have not lowered the zinc or changed the formula. He said they used to be Kendal oil but the company sold the Kendal name. They got their new name from Bradford, PA.
In 1997, American Refining Group, Inc. (ARG), a privately held energy company headquartered in Philadelphia, PA, purchased the Kendall/Amalie refinery located in Bradford, PA, from Witco Corporation. As a result of the sale by Witco, of the Kendall® and Amalie® brands to a third party, a new name was given to the products produced at the site: Brad Penn® Premium Pennsylvania Grade Lubricants.
He also said that Cen-Pe-Co doesn't have a refinery their a blender of oils. He also said I can get the oil for around $5.00 a quart with shipping.
Did the VP say how much zinc and phosphate is in the oil?
He said minimum of 1500 PPM. I've always used Valvoline, but have recently found out that they have sold their refinery and are now using blenders. I don't know, but using blenders seems kinda like giving a recipe to different people, each can have the same recipe and still come up with a different product. To me if Brad Penn doesn't mix easily with alcohol, that has to be a definite advantage.
The Brad Penn, High Performance Oils contain the higher level of anti-wear (ZDDP – zinc dialkyldithiophosphate) and enhanced film strength so critical to proper high performance engine protection. The Penn-Grade 1 oils of 1,500 ppm Zinc (Zn) and 1400 ppm Phosphorus (P) content provide the needed anti-wear protection to critical engine parts, such as piston/cylinder walls, roller cams under heavy valve spring pressure and especially those that employ a solid “flat tappet” type system. The unique base oil cut used to refine the Penn-Grade 1, High Performance Oils maintain a tremendous affinity to metal surfaces. This naturally occurring “metal wetting” characteristic enables the oil to stay put on your highly stressed engines and makes the Penn-Grade 1 High Performance Oil resist slinging for an extended period of time.
Darrell Reid, a friend that runs a promod car told me that they use to milk their oil after just one pass. After they went to Brad Penn it wasn't milky after a whole race. He also said that in trying to wash off parts with carb cleaner that the oil didn't want to come off even with carb cleaner. Well, I've got 2 cases ordered, it was $48.00 a case and 20.00 shipping and handling. For a total price of $4.83 a quart.
HamerDown
03-19-2009, 01:59 PM
Months ago I visited the Brad Penn site, and quoted...
1500 zinc
1400 phosphorous
I purchased a case of 25/50 and 50 wt
alexu
03-22-2009, 02:19 PM
I contacted Shell RD about the crap going around that the Rotella oil manufactured with non zinc and other additives being left out is BS.
Every body is OK using this oul.
alexu
03-22-2009, 02:56 PM
I contacted Shell RD about the crap going around that the Rotella oil manufactured with non zinc and other additives being left out is BS.
Every body is OK using this oil
I contacted Shell RD about the crap going around that the Rotella oil manufactured with non zinc and other additives being left out is BS.
Every body is OK using this oil
It has never been a non zinc oil where did you come with that info. When we ran 18/40 oil it use to be 1400 PPM of zinc and last I checked it was down to 950 and it was to be used with the new emmission engines.
It has been reformulated.
itsabird
03-23-2009, 07:05 AM
i found a case of brad penn this past weekend, the container said brad penn partial synthetic racing oil, is this the same as brad penn performance oil? or a different chemical composition?
dparker
03-23-2009, 07:13 AM
i found a case of brad penn this past weekend, the container said brad penn partial synthetic racing oil, is this the same as brad penn performance oil? or a different chemical composition?
Its the same. I got a case in saturday and it says the same thing.
dparker
03-23-2009, 07:14 AM
I contacted Shell RD about the crap going around that the Rotella oil manufactured with non zinc and other additives being left out is BS.
Every body is OK using this oil
It has never been a non zinc oil where did you come with that info. When we ran 18/40 oil it use to be 1400 PPM of zinc and last I checked it was down to 950 and it was to be used with the new emmission engines.
It has been reformulated.
Hink what oil are you talking about?
I contacted Shell RD about the crap going around that the Rotella oil manufactured with non zinc and other additives being left out is BS.
Every body is OK using this oil
It has never been a non zinc oil where did you come with that info. When we ran 18/40 oil it use to be 1400 PPM of zinc and last I checked it was down to 950 and it was to be used with the new emmission engines.
It has been reformulated.
Hink what oil are you talking about?
Rottella-T
itsabird
03-23-2009, 08:16 AM
i found a case of brad penn this past weekend, the container said brad penn partial synthetic racing oil, is this the same as brad penn performance oil? or a different chemical composition?
Its the same. I got a case in saturday and it says the same thing.thank's alot.
russ67chevelle
04-23-2009, 08:04 PM
my motor builder c&s in butler,wi(next door to milwaukee) said everyone is switching over to brad penn for the nitrous and blower applications where oil contamination is a concern cause the oil stays slippery...last year i ran it for first time with a few nitrous runs and i say yep i agree!
also i heard the old rotella has reduced the zinc and phosporus content
txhunter69
04-24-2009, 02:59 PM
i was changing oil for sewell ford for some time and had quite a few customers come in tht heard the same thing about rotella and didnt wanrt even a drop in their motor haha but jw does Mobil 1 deisleoil have zinc and phosphorus in it
bubbabbc
04-25-2009, 05:26 AM
Several well-known high end oil system and camshaft manufacturers (grinders) highly recommend Brad Penn, especially for nitrous, blower, and alcohol applications. A good indication of a characteristic desired for racing oil is its ability to adhere to rotating parts while providing an excellent layer of lubrication. If you doubt the quality and advantages of this oil, do yourself a favor and talk to users of Brad Penn oil.
dparker
04-25-2009, 06:27 AM
i was changing oil for sewell ford for some time and had quite a few customers come in tht heard the same thing about rotella and didnt wanrt even a drop in their motor haha but jw does Mobil 1 deisleoil have zinc and phosphorus in it
Yes they have some but they have had to lower the amount of Zinc and phosphorus because it clogs catalytic converters. I won't recommend Brad Penn oil for a street/dragcar. Brad Penn works best in a engine with alcohol or nitros, since the oil doesn't mix easily with fuel.
txhunter69
04-25-2009, 02:15 PM
well i ran the mobil 1 diesle oil in my truck for a while cause it was free but then a switched to 5w30 wight with lucas industrial additive for the extra weight
rob41willys
04-26-2009, 07:36 PM
After switching to Brad Penn oil in my motor I will not use anything else. I swear buy it. It's not an alchohol motor just sunoco race fuel
russ67chevelle
04-27-2009, 09:45 PM
a lot of people at the track that run 10s or faster use brad penn,like i said it keeps its slipperyness when contaminated...................................... .....any nitrous or blower guys listening in here!!!
mopar1962
07-29-2009, 12:06 PM
Ive always used the valvoline vr-1,milks up fast but remains slippery, regardless,your still getting alcohol into the engine whatever brand oil your using,proper maintnance is key.I will give penn a try tho..
OneBadGMC
07-29-2009, 03:32 PM
Didn't read the whole thread.... BUT...
Current Brad Penn is the old Kendell. Kendell was the bomb until they removed all of the good zinc and other additives from it.
Once they removed them, Kendell became garbage.
Brad Penn and Valvoline VR-1 are of about the same quality, with the Valvoline milking a little more with an improper alky tune.
I buy the Valvoline when I can't find BP.
mopar1962
07-29-2009, 05:49 PM
If your milkin the oil using either brand your still going to have to change it at the same interval or run a hi oil, alcohol level in your engine,I mean its like an overfill condition,which isnt good....
russ67chevelle
07-29-2009, 06:11 PM
most of the serious guys here run roller cams.we dont care as much(key words being "as much") about the zinc and phosporous content as the slipperyness properties when oil is used in a blown or nitrous environment. i understand that u know this already,just some might not
OneBadGMC
07-29-2009, 06:50 PM
You should care. That slipperyness saves your rod/main bearings, lifter bores, push rod ends, etc etc. It does a little more than just protect your cam lobes.
chevyfireball
07-29-2009, 11:10 PM
Most the blower cars here are using Brad Penn. Supposed to be good stuff.
russ67chevelle
07-30-2009, 07:26 PM
gmc, im agreeing with you.maybe all oils that are high in zinc and phos. keep "slippery" when contaminated...dunno...i was trying to make the point that the reason i use brad penn is cause when im using nitrous my oil smells like fuel, but it remains "slippery"
i didnt mean to pick at a nerve,sorry if i was unclear of why motors that are subjected to contaminents (fuel) would appreciate brad penn oil.if it stays "slippery" when contaminated because of the zinc and phos., then i learned somethin new....
just with roller cam motors dont need the zinc and phos. to the same level like flat tappet cams do. i know the additives also help other valvetrain along with all moving parts in friction.im sure u know this again,but others might not
OneBadGMC
07-30-2009, 10:24 PM
gmc, im agreeing with you.maybe all oils that are high in zinc and phos. keep "slippery" when contaminated...dunno...i was trying to make the point that the reason i use brad penn is cause when im using nitrous my oil smells like fuel, but it remains "slippery"
i didnt mean to pick at a nerve,sorry if i was unclear of why motors that are subjected to contaminents (fuel) would appreciate brad penn oil.if it stays "slippery" when contaminated because of the zinc and phos., then i learned somethin new....
just with roller cam motors dont need the zinc and phos. to the same level like flat tappet cams do. i know the additives also help other valvetrain along with all moving parts in friction.im sure u know this again,but others might not
8)
cepx111
07-30-2009, 10:58 PM
I didnt mean to pick at a nerve,sorry
Dont apologize, he's always that way.
JMO>Cp