Just want to give Jason7831 some encouragement

[wetrats]

I bought an intake from jason7831 http://www.racingjunk.com/category/98/Intake_manifolds_and_carbs/post/1438875/2-bbc-intakes.html

as you can see by the ad he did not specify that this intake is a victor 2-R. I bought this intake needing a standard victor with rect ports, which he also says, "rectangular ports". I have contacted him and he says he wants to "sleep on it." He also states I should have been able to read on the intake what kind it was, can anyone else read the writing on the intake??

I left the choice entirely up to him how to make this right, we'll see what he chooses.

Make the right choice Jason

[onebad48tk]

? i looked in jegs that intake looks the same as a torker? allthough i don't mess with big blocks.

[wetrats]

? i looked in jegs that intake looks the same as a torker? allthough i don't mess with big blocks.

it's a BBC Victor 2-R

[onebad48tk]

oh, ok like i said i dont fool with big blocks.

[lively]

wetrats
THE MAIN PROBLEM I SEE FIRST IS YOU DID NOT ASK WHAT THE ''''EXACT'''' MODEL OF INTAKE IT WAS[AT LEAST YOU HAVEN'T SAID YOU DID] SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HE REALLY DID NOT MISREPRESENT THE PRODUCT SINCE YOU DID NOT ASK AND HE DID NOT SAY[ SOUNDS LIKE THE GOVERNMENT PROBLEMS :oops: :roll: ]-ANYWAY --- :wink: :wink: IF HE IS AN HONEST SELLER HE WOULD LET YOU PAY THE SHIPPING BACK AND HE WOULD REFUND YOUR MONEY FOR THE INITIAL DEAL[BUT THEN HE MIGHT HAVE TOLD YOU SOLD AS IS AND THEN YOU ARE JUST STUCK WITH THE WRONG INTAKE :cry: :cry: :cry:
I WOULD JUST TELL HIM TO COME UP WITH A SIMPLE SOLUTION THAT YOU BOTH CAN LIVE WITH-THIS MIGHT NOT SEEM FAIR BUT A THINK ENOUGH ???? WERE NOT ASKED AND ANSWERED

LIVELY

PS--PLEASE HAVE THE DECENCY TO COME BACK ON HERE IF AND WHEN YOU GET THIS SETTLED AND REPORT THAT ALSO :lol: :lol: :lol:

[blownalky3]

I can read Edelbrock and Victor 2-R 4500. I am not sure what you need Rectangular or Oval but I have three Holley Strip Dominator 300-5 Sq Port 4150 flange intakes and one Holley Strip Dominator 300-4 Oval port 4150 flange intake and could use a Dominator flange intake. If you are interested I will trade one strip dominator and add $60 if it will help both parties.

[fla1976]

Sounds like a great solution. I'd like to say that blownalky3 is a standup guy even if you guys don't go for the deal.

[wetrats]

I offered no suggestions for resolution in order to try to come to a fair conclusion. We'll see what he says. I paid $30 for shipping from Ca to NC so paying shipping back and receiving a refund of $180 what I paid and shipping is fair in my eyes.

[michael1]

wetrats, if you are going to pay the $30 to ship it back you could just sell it for $120 and it would be the same. You would be losing out if you pay shipping twice. That intake should sell pretty easy.

[wetrats]

wetrats, if you are going to pay the $30 to ship it back you could just sell it for $120 and it would be the same. You would be losing out if you pay shipping twice. That intake should sell pretty easy.

If I paid $180, pay to ship it back, $30, get my $180 back I'm out $30. I guess if I sell it for $150 shipped it would be the same. Thanks for the insight

[Tod74]

Dude ...you can't be serious ..ARE YOU ACTUALLY TRYING TO INSINUATE THAT HE SOMEHOW DID YOU WRONG? :shock:

that is a very clear picture and I see no misrepresentation in that ad. You need to Know what you are looking at before you buy and especially before you try and trash a man's reputation by posting his name in a scammer section.Sorry to be so blunt but
I would tell you to go pound sand.



Also what shape are the ports in the intake he sold you?

[bugzzy1]

I can't see where Jason misrepresented anything in his add, nor should he have to reimburse any shipping. I can read everything on the intake, and you maybe could have asked, for more details. I think you needed to check it out more. JMO

[hammertime]

I can't see where Jason misrepresented anything in his add, nor should he have to reimburse any shipping. I can read everything on the intake, and you maybe could have asked, for more details. I think you needed to check it out more. JMO


x2 Always ask !

[hollowayshotrods]

I don't see a thing wrong with the ad, you can read it, he tells about the usage, I cannot see Jason being responsible for ANY money. wetrat, rethink it man, and come on back in here and maybe ya'll can hash this out. Just my thoughts my friends.

[TheYellaBrick]

Suggestion for those who post intakes for sale/trade;

4 pics are needed to CLEARLY show what you have

1 - overall top view showing carb mounting surface/configuration
2 - closeup of carb mount CLEARLY showing stud hole condition
3 - overall bottom view showing ports
4 - closeup of make / model casting info

If port work has been done, clear closeups of the ports is in order as well.

[onebad48tk]

Suggestion for those who post intakes for sale/trade;

4 pics are needed to CLEARLY show what you have

1 - overall top view showing carb mounting surface/configuration
2 - closeup of carb mount CLEARLY showing stud hole condition
3 - overall bottom view showing ports
4 - closeup of make / model casting info

If port work has been done, clear closeups of the ports is in order as well. yep that about sums it up dd.

[wetrats]

those of you that can read it by all means good for you, I can not see Victor 2-R on that intake

I know exactly what I am looking for in the 454-R intake I have one already for one of the two motors I am building. There are 2 intakes listed for sale in his ad and one pic.

I spoke with Jason on the phone and in our phone conversations I feel like the intake was misrepresented as well. I was told that the RPM range was 3500-8500, the 454-R range, whereas the 2-R is 4500-8500.

Thanks for your opinions but I won't be pounding any sand there wise guy!!! If any of you can search Edelbrock Victor 2-R and find any info about this intake you are welcome to tell me I should have researched further, there is NO info to be found.

[lively]

IF YOU KNEW '''EXACTLIY WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR IN THAT INTAKE '' THEN WHY DID YOU NOT ASK MORE ????? AND FOR BETTER PICS :oops: :oops: :oops: ----I SUGGESTED HOW TO SETTLE THIS BUT I THINK YOU ARE JUST BEING A SMART ELLECK TO MY FRIENDS AND NEED TO ADMIT --YOU WERE WRONG :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: ]
YOUR WELCOME
LIVELY

[onebad48tk]

:shock:

[blowninjected540]

I agree with Lively !! Can't call someone a crook when its your mistake. especially if you know what your looking for. (Slow down and ask questions.) My thoughts

[wetrats]

IF YOU KNEW '''EXACTLIY WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR IN THAT INTAKE '' THEN WHY DID YOU NOT ASK MORE ????? AND FOR BETTER PICS :oops: :oops: :oops: ----I SUGGESTED HOW TO SETTLE THIS BUT I THINK YOU ARE JUST BEING A SMART ELLECK TO MY FRIENDS AND NEED TO ADMIT --YOU WERE WRONG :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: ]
YOUR WELCOME
LIVELY

show me one other victor intake that has rect ports. Not super victor, not victor jr, the ad says victor rect port. If you search the internet for victor rect port you get the 454-R. How is that not misrepresented?

I am trying to settle this but Jason won't respond, so what does that tell you?
Was only a smart elleck to your smart elleck friend.

[wetrats]

I agree with Lively !! Can't call someone a crook when its your mistake. especially if you know what your looking for. (Slow down and ask questions.) My thoughts

should I have asked are you really selling what you say is in the ad? I don't understand what it is I should have asked?

I am told Victor rect port intake with 4500 flange.

[wetrats]

so I just spoke with Jason and he tells me that he put his ad together based on Jegs advertisement for the intake, and he said " I took the info from the 454-R, rectangular port 4500 flange, I just thought they put the 2-R on it." Now does anyone think it wasn't misrepresented?

We have agreed that I will run an ad to see if I can sell it and if not we'll try another route.

[lively]

I agree with Lively !! Can't call someone a crook when its your mistake. especially if you know what your looking for. (Slow down and ask questions.) My thoughts

should I have asked are you really selling what you say is in the ad? I don't understand what it is I should have asked?

I am told Victor rect port intake with 4500 flange.

LIKE I SAID--YOU HAVE TO ASK ???? AND FOR GOOD PICS AND INFO--OTHERWISE JUST EAT YOUR MISTAKES--AND YES YOU SHOULD HAVE ASKED IF HE TRULLY WAS SELLING WHAT YOU WANTED 8) 8) 8) YOU DID JUST SAY ON HERE YOU KNEW EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANTED :cry: :cry: I AND ALOT OF OTHERS HAVE' POUNDED SAND BEFORE' THAT IS WHY I AM FIRM ON THIS DEAL :shock: :shock:
SORRY BUT :roll: :roll: :roll: NOT BEING MEAN JUST DO NOT LIKE BITCHING AT PEOPLE ABOUT A DEAL WHEN THE BUYER WAS AT FAULT ALSO :? :? :?
LIVELY

[zipper06]

Not taking sides here, but i think posting one picture of an item is not enough. I don't know RJ's policy or if you can post more than one pic. for free (i don't sell here or anywhere else , only word of mouth) But if the intake was posted with 3 pics. 1 top,1 bottom ports showing, and 1 side the mistake would not have been made. I do agree with wet that the ad said sq. port and appearently it's not, now which manifold he had advertised out of the 2 i don't know which was supposed to be the sq. port. I don't think he meant to misrepsent the manifold, but could have easily been misread.
Again not taking sides here, i think the price is good and should sell.

JMO

Zip.

[wetrats]

I agree with Lively !! Can't call someone a crook when its your mistake. especially if you know what your looking for. (Slow down and ask questions.) My thoughts

should I have asked are you really selling what you say is in the ad? I don't understand what it is I should have asked?

I am told Victor rect port intake with 4500 flange.

LIKE I SAID--YOU HAVE TO ASK ???? AND FOR GOOD PICS AND INFO--OTHERWISE JUST EAT YOUR MISTAKES--AND YES YOU SHOULD HAVE ASKED IF HE TRULLY WAS SELLING WHAT YOU WANTED 8) 8) 8) YOU DID JUST SAY ON HERE YOU KNEW EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANTED :cry: :cry: I AND ALOT OF OTHERS HAVE' POUNDED SAND BEFORE' THAT IS WHY I AM FIRM ON THIS DEAL :shock: :shock:
SORRY BUT :roll: :roll: :roll: NOT BEING MEAN JUST DO NOT LIKE BITCHING AT PEOPLE ABOUT A DEAL WHEN THE BUYER WAS AT FAULT ALSO :? :? :?
LIVELY

I'm sure you would feel the same way if you were in my shoes, eh??

[wetrats]

Not taking sides here, but i think posting one picture of an item is not enough. I don't know RJ's policy or if you can post more than one pic. for free (i don't sell here or anywhere else , only word of mouth) But if the intake was posted with 3 pics. 1 top,1 bottom ports showing, and 1 side the mistake would not have been made. I do agree with wet that the ad said sq. port and appearently it's not, now which manifold he had advertised out of the 2 i don't know which was supposed to be the sq. port. I don't think he meant to misrepsent the manifold, but could have easily been misread.
Again not taking sides here, i think the price is good and should sell.

JMO

Zip.

the intake I received is a rect port, but it is not the intake I feel like I was described. I expected a victor 454-R not a victor 2-R. No one can produce ANY info on the 2-R so I have no idea where it even came from

[lively]

WETRAT--I HAVE BEEN BUYING AND SELLING AND TRADING FOR OVER 35 YEARS AND HAVE GOT BURNT AND TAKEN AND ALSO MADE STUPID MISTAKES :shock: :shock: BUT I LEARNED FROM MY DEALINGS AND AM VERY FORTRIGHT IN ASKING LOTS OF??? AND WANTING THE PICS OF THE ITEMS LIKE I NEED --I HAVE BEEN IN YOUR SHOES SO AM NOT TALKING JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT-JUST ASK THE GUYS ON HERE AND RELIZE I HATE CROOKED SELLERS/ SCAMMERS/ AND CROOKS-PERIOD :evil: :evil:
BUT WE WANT THE HONEST FACTS OUT OF BOTH SIDES WHEN THINGS ARE BROUGHT INTO THE SCAMMER SECTION :cry: :cry: REMEMBER YOU BROUGHT THIS DEAL HERE!!!

AGAIN NOT BEING MEAN JUST TRUTHFULL
LIVELY

[blownalky3]

I am way confused as Rec Port and Sq Port are one and the same. I believe the only difference in the one he wants and the one he has is the RPM range they operate at with the 2R being a higher RPM Manifold. It is obvious from the pic it is dominator flange.

Wetrat, please explain the difference you are upset with? It might help us all later. Thanks

[chrisr]

I could be wrong but I believe that when the 454 R first came out is was listed as 454 2-R for rectangular port and 454 2-O for oval ports. The performer and airgap intakes are still listed that way. If this is the case, you have the same intake as a 454-R with a RPM range of 3500-8000. The only way to be sure would be to contact Edelbrock and ask.( Tech department 1-800-416-8628 from 7:00am to 5:00pm, Monday-Friday, PST.)

[mytmouz]

Not taking sides here, but i think posting one picture of an item is not enough. I don't know RJ's policy or if you can post more than one pic. for free (i don't sell here or anywhere else , only word of mouth) But if the intake was posted with 3 pics. 1 top,1 bottom ports showing, and 1 side the mistake would not have been made. I do agree with wet that the ad said sq. port and appearently it's not, now which manifold he had advertised out of the 2 i don't know which was supposed to be the sq. port. I don't think he meant to misrepsent the manifold, but could have easily been misread.
Again not taking sides here, i think the price is good and should sell.

JMO

Zip.

Only 1 pic for the free posts...

[THERATTLER]

wetrats , chrisr is right,,the 2r is for rectangler ports and 2o for oval , both were advertised as 3500 to8000 but it is not the exact manifold(454) in apperance as the one you are looking for ,,,but does flow the same.
The ram 2r runs 4500 to 8500 but that is tunnel ram....
I don't think the man tried to "SCREW" you as you said but neither of you really knew what he had,,,mayby he would have been better off saying that he didn't really know what it was , but it was still up to you to make the purchase based on what info you had. It would be nice if he agreed to undo deal because of confusion but I don't think he is obligated to ..
Just my two cents ,,,good luck selling it if that 's what it takes , shouldn't be a problem... :D

[Tod74]

Not taking sides here, but i think posting one picture of an item is not enough. I don't know RJ's policy or if you can post more than one pic. for free (i don't sell here or anywhere else , only word of mouth) But if the intake was posted with 3 pics. 1 top,1 bottom ports showing, and 1 side the mistake would not have been made. I do agree with wet that the ad said sq. port and appearently it's not, now which manifold he had advertised out of the 2 i don't know which was supposed to be the sq. port. I don't think he meant to misrepsent the manifold, but could have easily been misread.
Again not taking sides here, i think the price is good and should sell.

JMO

Zip.

the intake I received is a rect port, but it is not the intake I feel like I was described. I expected a victor 454-R not a victor 2-R. No one can produce ANY info on the 2-R so I have no idea where it even came from

What is the difference between him leaving the "2R" off his description and YOU leaving the "454 R" off of yours? That was my point when I said someone please show me a picture of a "Standard Victor" which was YOUR words to describe what you were shopping for. My point was None of them that I've ever seen just said "Victor" they all have something along with that like 454R or Super Victor.
If the intake had rectangular intake ports as he described please tell me how he misrepresented his VICTOR 2R intake w/rect ports.

YOU make it sound like there is a Victor intake and a Victor 2R intake.

There isn't.

[zipper06]

O'K now i'm more clear, it is a sq. port, both the manifold you recieved and the manifold you thought you were getting are single plain manifolds. Don't sell it, trust me you will not know the difference in a manifold that's supposed to perform from 3500 to 8500, and a manifold that's supposed to perform 4500 to 8500. O'K it's not what you thought you were buying and i understand that point, but the seller did not misrepresent it in his ad. You still have an excellent manifold. With that said i donot run B/BLKs, i only build them for customers, but i would not hasitate to use that manifold.

JMO

Zip.

[Tod74]

the intake I received is a rect port, but it is not the intake I feel like I was described. I expected a victor 454-R not a victor 2-R. No one can produce ANY info on the 2-R so I have no idea where it even came from


hmmm

I spoke with Jason on the phone and in our phone conversations I feel like the intake was misrepresented as well. I was told that the RPM range was 3500-8500, the 454-R range, whereas the 2-R is 4500-8500.

[chrisr]

The RPM range on a 454R is not 3500 to 8500 it is 3500 to 8000 as is the Victor 454 2-R, the Super Victor is 3500 to 8500 and the only one that is 4500 to 8500 is the ram 2-R and It is pretty clear the one you have is not a tunnell ram. So the intake you have is 3500 to 8000 regardless whether is says R or 2-R.

[THERATTLER]

you are wasting your breath chrisr , he has add on offshore only.com saying he got screwed.

[wetrats]

for those that haven't read all the post s here I am building twin motors for a boat. Regardless of performance capabilities of the intakes, thanks to those that corrected me, the 2-R looks NOTHING like the 454-R. The 2-R won't even work due to the height. I'll chalk this one up to a difference in opinions and continue on with my paypal claim in order to get my $ back.

[wetrats]

you are wasting your breath chrisr , he has add on offshore only.com saying he got screwed.

and boatfreaks.org as well

[Tod74]

If you are not going to use the intake, I'll give you a drawing of a spider for it. No need for you to worry about an honor payment.I will send one of his legs to RJ on your behalf..

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff253/Tod74/spider20drawing.jpg

[Scooterz]

Yeah... "boatfreaks.org"... tell them too.

[chrisr]

I was not getting into what was right or wrong but just posting info on the intake. IMO it was a little misleading by saying it was a victor R instead of 2-R but I would not have bought something without a clear pic or directly asking if it was the exact intake I was looking for( just because someone has an item for sale does not mean they actually used it or know much info about it, therefore post it as best as they can). As far as him trying to directly SCREW you, I don't think he did. I see fault on both sides. It sucks you paid for something and it turned out not to be what you needed. Hope you can either sell it and get the one you need or he will refund your money and resell it himself.

[THERATTLER]

X 2 :D

[blownalky3]

Since I was just accused of being a "Fraud" I do understand how the seller feels and would understand the buyers issue if it weren't for 3 things!! 1) YOU ALREADY HAVE ONE INTAKE AND NEED A SECOND? YOU KNEW WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BECAUSE YOU HAVE ONE ALREADY. 2) I CAN CLEARLY READ 2-R ON THE INTAKE and yours has no writing similar does it?. 3) AND YOU ARE GOING THROUGH ALL THIS FOR $150?????????????????? You have to be kidding right? You are trashing a guy for that? He posted the pic and you did not recognize an intake you already own one of. Seems unfair to me. The intake is worth every penny you paid and easily sellable so, if you own a boat with two motors the cost of the intake is about 0.000000001% of the total, or not even worth argueing over.

[482]

If you are not going to use the intake, I'll give you a drawing of a spider for it. No need for you to worry about an honor payment.I will send one of his legs to RJ on your behalf..

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff253/Tod74/spider20drawing.jpg


Tod74
It looks like you already sent one of the legs to RJ. One is missing :lol: :lol:

[suicidebomb]

If you are not going to use the intake, I'll give you a drawing of a spider for it. No need for you to worry about an honor payment.I will send one of his legs to RJ on your behalf..

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff253/Tod74/spider20drawing.jpg


Tod74
It looks like you already sent one of the legs to RJ. One is missing :lol: :lol:

Sales Tax?

[482]

Man, That sales tax is getting higher and higher! If he had arms , I guess it would be an arm and a leg :shock: :shock:
I think he looks a little more like a TICK than a spider :roll:

[Tod74]

That was in reference to this in case you never saw it.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=665847

[482]

That is funny :lol: never saw it, thanks.
Either way it was better than arguing over a 150 intake!

[Harbone]

Tod74,
I have a 10 legged spider with a 150hp venom shot, slightly used that I am willing to trade for a nice centipede!

[482]

Tod74,
I have a 10 legged spider with a 150hp venom shot, slightly used that I am willing to trade for a nice centipede!

If Tod74 is not interested in a trade, I have a fairly new stink bug and cash willing to trade up. Let me know! :roll:

[Scooterz]

Ah Yeah, send one leg to "boatfreaks.com" too... they are a huge group of influential folks... let me tell ya. Beware: they will not take this chit lightly mang...

[Harbone]

Well I am glad I sold my boat a couple of years back, I would not want those evil bastards huntin me down out on the lake. damn butt pirates :twisted:

[Scooterz]

LOL!!! RRRRR, MATEY. "Boat freaks" plays for keeps... they will not allow mis-matched intakes on thier turf.

[Tod74]

all joking aside some of those boat guys on that forum got some really nice stuff..pretty impressive.

[farrigno]

wow, i must need new contacts,i can't read s@#$t on that intake!

[THERATTLER]

would you buy it if you can't read it??