not an honest guy to do businees with

[cebry]

careful of chassis builder griffinracecraft in pevely mo. bought a camaro from him sight unseen[when am i gonna learn to quit trusting people] he sounded like such an honest guy said the car was solid.pics looked good on the out side underneath was a different story.subframe was rusted through, holes in floor patches all over, trunk floor paper thin all that stuff he said was solid all nicely sprayed with undercoat.he knew i was his opportunity to unload the car for a big buck.lots of other stuff.phoned him once waste of time.really disappointed man. only make deals face to face

[mopar1968]

:? :? So let me understand this, You didn't check it out before buying :?: Now who's fault is that :?: :?:

[cebry]

i looked at pics i talked to the guy 4or5 maybe more times i looked at his profile on this sight he runs a chassis building co.i'm from canada so i couldn't just drop everything and go. he saw the perfect opportunity and took it.i i admit it i'm an idiot but it won't happen again.ya i gotta thank him for teaching me what a------- people can be. see im changing already

[lively]

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[cebry]

WOW does that thing look cool.i'll swap you a camaro for it.no i couldn't do that to you.canadians are such pussies.looks good though.you u.s. guys sure know how to build cars.

[xdamxincx]

:? :? So let me understand this, You didn't check it out before buying :?: Now who's fault is that :?: :?:

so that makes it allright to screw someone ? sounds like you might be one of those types? yes no ?

[Scorpion1110]

Mopar is not saying that at all and you know it.

There' an old saying, very old, translated from Latin, used commonly and I am sure you had heard it, Caveat Emptor. Let the buyer beware. People have been getting screwed since they lived in caves and everyone knows that.

If you are buying something sight unseen, then pay the $100 for a professional inspection- When you are paying thousands isnt it worth a little insurance?

How would you have handled the transaction?

later,

Scorp

[hollowayshotrods]

First off, you know that isn't what Mopar said!! I also can't figure out how you could have even ASSUMED he was saying that.

Below is a post that I started a few days ago addressing the belly aching of folks buying stuff sight unseen:

I just have to ask: When are folks going to QUIT buying stuff unseen? I have several cars for sale, upon request I can send pictures of ANY part of my cars within a very short period of time. Digital cameras are cheap enough now that everyone can own one. I can even take pictures (very clear and precise) of the INSIDES of the quarter panels! There is absolutely no excuse for not being able to take and send pictures. My advice is as follows: If a seller cannot send requested pictures, move on. See the picture below? That is the INSIDE left qtr. of my '69 Camaro.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg231/hollowayshotrods/1969%20Camaro%20SS/IMG_8431_1.jpg


I also need to know: Do ANY buyers check a mans references? If not, you should. References SHOULD NOT be "my buddy down the road", they ARE legit businesses in the phone book, RJ, etc. Sorry to carry on so much, it just kills me how folks let themselves get screwed, then holler about how it was the "other guys" fault. I have never been FORCED to complete a trade I didn't want to, whether it was good, bad or indifferent.

Quit crying about being screwed if you are either too busy, too lazy or just don't want to "ride all that way" to inspect the car. How about an appraiser? Two hundred dollars could save you thousands. Too many ways to protect yourself, if only you will.
Protect your money as you would your family, after all it is their money too!

If anyone is wondering if I have ever been a victim, the answer is, of course I have!! I have a "show car" that I acquired sight unseen, still putting my money into it to make it right! I got that car right here on RJ from a less than honest man from the great state of Kentucky!! The only bashing I could do is claim he is dishonest in his dealings, I could have chose to nix the deal, I didn't though, so I have no valid reason for taking him to task. He is a loser and will get his in the end, if not before.

Now having said that, should you find yourself with too much cash, I will gladly send you pictures of my money pits!
_________________
Rudy Holloway
Landis,NC 28088 USA
704 699 6998

Vote McCain-Palin I don't give a damn if we are always broke, as long as we are FREE AND PROTECTED.
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[txarsenal]

Not to scare anyone off on using an inspection company to look over a possible vehicle purchase, but If you do, Do your Homework on them as well! I used a company called Coast to Coast Auto Inspection, biggest nightmare I ever did. I paid $175.00 for them to thoroughly inspect a Camaro that was by the ad a "Turn Key" car. They were to take pictures of everything, inside and out, compression test, test drive, check for leaks, and list any and all possible issues on the car. Bottomline: They falsified the inspection report, state no issues, car was driveable, no leaks, all electrical systems funtioned. Far from the truth, alternator was sitting on the front seat, oil leaks, you name it. I am currently in litigation over this with both the seller and the inspection company over fraud issues. If you are going to hand over your hard earned money, either go there in person to see it and touch it or do your homework on the inspection company. Don't get taken, learned my lesson.

My .02

[hollowayshotrods]

Not to scare anyone off on using an inspection company to look over a possible vehicle purchase, but If you do, Do your Homework on them as well! I used a company called Coast to Coast Auto Inspection, biggest nightmare I ever did. I paid $175.00 for them to thoroughly inspect a Camaro that was by the ad a "Turn Key" car. They were to take pictures of everything, inside and out, compression test, test drive, check for leaks, and list any and all possible issues on the car. Bottomline: They falsified the inspection report, state no issues, car was driveable, no leaks, all electrical systems funtioned. Far from the truth, alternator was sitting on the front seat, oil leaks, you name it. I am currently in litigation over this with both the seller and the inspection company over fraud issues. If you are going to hand over your hard earned money, either go there in person to see it and touch it or do your homework on the inspection company. Don't get taken, learned my lesson.

My .02

I have never actually used an inspection company, I think the reason I haven't is above. I agree 100%, go inspect it yourself, or accept what you receive.

[mopar1968]

That's not what i am saying at all, what i am saying is do your homework or settle with what you bought! If you are unable to see it and inspect it for yourself then hire someone to do it for you!

[lively]

That's not what i am saying at all, what i am saying is do your homework or settle with what you bought! If you are unable to see it and inspect it for yourself then hire someone to do it for you!
I SECOND THAT :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

LIVELY

[hollowayshotrods]

ohhhhh Mopar soooooooo misunderstood! :lol: :lol:

[mopar1968]

:lol: :lol: Yeah us Mopar people are like that, different breed :!: :!:

[lively]

US FORD PEOPLE FEEL THE SAME :lol: :lol: :lol:

[mopar1968]

:lol: :lol: Mopar's & Ford's maybe the smallest dog in the fight but remember just one thing, :twisted: WE BITE HARDER :!: :!:

[lively]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[mopar1968]

:lol: :lol: Whatcha think ''Lively'' no response from anyone :?: :?:

[lively]

THEY ARE TRYING TO STRAIGHTEN THEIR BOWTIE'S -BEFORE ANSWERING BACK :lol: :lol: :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[mopar1968]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[wvhippie]

We like you guys and know its hard to live a fantasy life. :lol: Better go polish my bowtie. :twisted:

[xdamxincx]

Mopar is not saying that at all and you know it.

There' an old saying, very old, translated from Latin, used commonly and I am sure you had heard it, Caveat Emptor. Let the buyer beware. People have been getting screwed since they lived in caves and everyone knows that.

If you are buying something sight unseen, then pay the $100 for a professional inspection- When you are paying thousands isnt it worth a little insurance?

How would you have handled the transaction?

later,

Scorp

how i would of handled the situation is irrelevent.. if there is a dishonest person out there he deserves to be exposed. i have sold a 69 camaro on ebay to a guy that never looked at it in person or had anyone look at it in person.. it was as i described and he came and got it paid for it "sight unseen" and left me positive feedback..if your a crook your a crook .. dont blame the buyer..
yes be a smart buyer. but guess what this section of the forum has a purpose .. and this guy is utilizing it correctly..

[xdamxincx]

First off, you know that isn't what Mopar said!! I also can't figure out how you could have even ASSUMED he was saying that.

Below is a post that I started a few days ago addressing the belly aching of folks buying stuff sight unseen:

I just have to ask: When are folks going to QUIT buying stuff unseen? I have several cars for sale, upon request I can send pictures of ANY part of my cars within a very short period of time. Digital cameras are cheap enough now that everyone can own one. I can even take pictures (very clear and precise) of the INSIDES of the quarter panels! There is absolutely no excuse for not being able to take and send pictures. My advice is as follows: If a seller cannot send requested pictures, move on. See the picture below? That is the INSIDE left qtr. of my '69 Camaro.

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg231/hollowayshotrods/1969%20Camaro%20SS/IMG_8431_1.jpg


I also need to know: Do ANY buyers check a mans references? If not, you should. References SHOULD NOT be "my buddy down the road", they ARE legit businesses in the phone book, RJ, etc. Sorry to carry on so much, it just kills me how folks let themselves get screwed, then holler about how it was the "other guys" fault. I have never been FORCED to complete a trade I didn't want to, whether it was good, bad or indifferent.

Quit crying about being screwed if you are either too busy, too lazy or just don't want to "ride all that way" to inspect the car. How about an appraiser? Two hundred dollars could save you thousands. Too many ways to protect yourself, if only you will.
Protect your money as you would your family, after all it is their money too!

If anyone is wondering if I have ever been a victim, the answer is, of course I have!! I have a "show car" that I acquired sight unseen, still putting my money into it to make it right! I got that car right here on RJ from a less than honest man from the great state of Kentucky!! The only bashing I could do is claim he is dishonest in his dealings, I could have chose to nix the deal, I didn't though, so I have no valid reason for taking him to task. He is a loser and will get his in the end, if not before.

Now having said that, should you find yourself with too much cash, I will gladly send you pictures of my money pits!
_________________
Rudy Holloway
Landis,NC 28088 USA
704 699 6998

Vote McCain-Palin I don't give a damn if we are always broke, as long as we are FREE AND PROTECTED.
[email protected]

some people like to be trusted and some people want to trust people . and its just a part of society .. your not going to change that ,people will buy merchandise sight unseen regardless of what you or others say..

the fact is this- its the sellers responsibility to be honest .. not the buyers responsibility to make the seller honest.. because the best of crooks are good and will sell their junk one way or another .. and thats guaranteed...
the people that get screwed SHOULD expose these crooks and when arrogant people come in here and basically call them stupid and shift some of the blame to them ,that does nothing for this forum..

in actuality no one wants to look stupid and this will only turn people away from posting their bad dealings with people here on RJ. and exposing crooks..
yes be a smart buyer.. but thats all that needs to be said.. not some sarcastic post.. which is in no way positive .

[xdamxincx]

to sum up the way i feel- i had my motor stolen ..10k down the toilet with nothing to show for it .. no sight .. just unseen... and pretty positive that i know who did it and all my friends tell me how fucked up it is and what not .... but in my head i know it was my fault to allow that to happen. i was careless
but muther effn god dammit if or when i know 100% positively who is responsible i will EXPOSE their SORRY SCUM OF THE EARTH ASS ALL OVER EVERY WEBSITE I CAN FIND...... end rant...

EXPOSE THE TRASH !!!

[hollowayshotrods]

No sarcasm intended. Just stating the facts, if you get screwed it is your fault. I did the same thing, bought without inspecting, now I am screwed out of several grand. You should believe my comments are toward myself as well, in no way is anyone on here, or in this world perfect. I surley doubt expressing my thoughts will make folks not want to post about the misfortunes they incur. Heck, I even posted my misfortune after reading my own sarcastic piece.

Talk about trust. I trust you as far as I can see you if I do not know you. That's the way I am, if someone doesn't like that I am that way, then move along. I am almost 50 years old, have heard all the stories, excuses and lies I care to hear. In the first line of your recent post you stated "some people like to be trusted and some people want to trust people" . I would like to have been trusted, but I had to EARN it first. I would love to trust people, but unfortunately it is people like Keith of Ashland Ky that make me like I am. My refrences can be found in the local phone book, local car shows, etc. I challenge you to find someone I wronged, or ANY car or part I have misrepresented, I will buy it back immediately and apologize profusely. I feel I have earned my right to trust, and my family has earned the right for me and the rest of this great nation to speak our minds, whether or not you agree with it.

What you won't hear me do is cry about being screwed. I have noticed some crying has been going on, so I wanted to give my opinion. Apparently, you do not care for my opinion, that is not of my concern.

I stated Keith of Ashland is a liar and you should not deal with him. That is simply the truth all that should be said, unless of course, the "bad guy" wants to raise up and buck the word. But, I assure you Keith, I come loaded for bear. I simply want EVERYONE to know that Traderguy (Keith) is a liar and a cheat, if it can save a man from losing some money then I am happy. My details are private unless Keith wants to air it out.
BRING IT I SAY!!

So, in closing I must ad:
I am going to polish my Bowties!

[Scorpion1110]

Mopar is not saying that at all and you know it.

There' an old saying, very old, translated from Latin, used commonly and I am sure you had heard it, Caveat Emptor. Let the buyer beware. People have been getting screwed since they lived in caves and everyone knows that.

If you are buying something sight unseen, then pay the $100 for a professional inspection- When you are paying thousands isnt it worth a little insurance?

How would you have handled the transaction?

later,

Scorp

how i would of handled the situation is irrelevent.. if there is a dishonest person out there he deserves to be exposed. i have sold a 69 camaro on ebay to a guy that never looked at it in person or had anyone look at it in person.. it was as i described and he came and got it paid for it "sight unseen" and left me positive feedback..if your a crook your a crook .. dont blame the buyer..
yes be a smart buyer. but guess what this section of the forum has a purpose .. and this guy is utilizing it correctly..

Actually, this is a forum for interactive dialogue, so I think how you would have handled it is indeed a relevant question at least as relevant as yours. You asked Mopar a yes/no question - "Sounds like you might be one of those guys"

Would you have gone to get it personally, had it inspected, or blindly sent the funds?

Its a reasonable question.

Later,

Scorp

[Scooterz]

I second what Scorp said, & Livley, & Mopar too. An honest sale is an extention of a sellers character... this should be discovered once the vechile is seen/inspected... I believe the original post clearly admits remorse too. Thanks to you for being honest & reafirming how we should all be cautious... It's like "thinking with the wrong head" or wearing "beer-goggles".... I will quote George Jones: "15 minutes for a life time of pain" ... a hot-rod purcase is an emotinal one for me sometimes... like the 36/24/36 blonde... she looks great, but she will come with some baggage!! Rigsby