Opinions??

[gsforless]

I guess this is more of a warning to all than anything else,but anyone and everyone is invited and encouraged to chime in with opinions.

Where to begin?

I traded cars with an RJ member,speedy121,around 6 weeks ago,give or take.He brought his car approximately 160 miles to me,to trade.Originally we were to meet halfway,but a situation came up,and I was unable to travel.I told him that I guessed we weren't going to be able to make the deal,and he offered to make the entire trip.

He shows up on a weekend,nothing open to transfer a title.He assures me that he knows a notary,and if I'll just sign the back,he'll get the rest done and the car outta my name first of the week.I've done this in the past with no problems.

We make the trade(his rolling drag Malibu for my driving street Malibu).I noticed a few things that weren't as he had described them on the drag car while he was at my house,but I decided to let it go,unmentioned.He had drove a long way,and it's not like he had the parts that were either missing or had been changed with him and could produce them if I questioned it.Besides,although the car was definately not as described,I still wanted it

The parts in question:There was a verbal agreement over the phone(we had several phone conversations during the course of this deal),that all electronics,with the exception of a 6AL box,would be left with the car(he said the 6AL was borrowed).All electronics were described to me and the car was supposed to have an MSD timing controller on it,but it wasn't there.

Also during the phone conversation,the rear tires were described to me as MT slicks,29x11.5.In the middle of this trade,he decides to change the wheels on the car he's trading me.I told him I was fine with that as long as the tires were the same ones.The rear wheels he took off were Rod Lites and he replaced them with Drag Lites,but when he showed up with the car,the rear tires were MT 28x9.0,and one of them had a cut.If you wanna check ad# 1228797,you'll see that the car listed there has the Rod Lites on it,and it also has the 29x11.5 tires.There's no proof,but it certainly looks like he left the tires I was supposed to get on the wheels he took off the car I got.At any rate,I did not get the tires I was suppose to.

Lastly,this one was a little more than a verbal agreement and bothers me the most.He told me the car had QA1 adjustable shocks all the way around,but when he shows up,the car has some crappy,no name,non-adjustable junk on the rear.He sent me a pic of the rear shocks before we traded showing the QA1s on it!The car he got was EXACTLY as I had represented it to him.I even gave him a 7.5 posi and 4.10 gear when he was leaving that wasn't part of the deal!

As I said earlier,I let every bit of this go unmentioned and made the trade with him.I'm sure you're wondering"why bring it up after the fact?"

I never questioned the missing and changed parts until Tuesday of this week.My curiosity got the best of me,and I called the DMV to be sure that the title to the car I traded him had been transferred.It had not,so I sent him a message saying that I had been more than fair,giving him plenty of time to get this done.I told him that I was going to go to the DMV this coming Friday and if the title still wasn't taken care of,I was gonna junk it.I'm responsible for the car until he does what he promised to do the day after he got it,6 or so weeks ago.

Seeing as how I had to confront him with this issue,I felt it was an opportune time to let him know that he hadn't pulled one over on me by changing the parts on his trade,and I explained that I just let it go,but I did notice.

He replies by saying that he didn't agree to leave the timing controller on the car and that the tires are,in fact,the ones that were supposed to be on the car.As I said,these were verbal agreements only,so I told him to forget them.

The shocks,on the other hand,when I confronted him with them,he says that the car never had QA1s on it,and that he must have sent me a pic of his father in laws Nova by mistake!I have the pic,and it CLEARLY shows QA1 shocks,clearly shows G body suspension,including the adjustable arms that were on the car when I got it,the rearend is unmistakable,even the hole cut in the trunk floor for the fuel cell sump is evident in the pic,and he says it is a pic of a different car!

When I told him I was gonna bring this issue here,to the forum,he says he'll send me a pair of Afco shocks,if it'll "make things right"!

I told him to send me the shocks that were coming to me,and forget the other items.I haven't heard a word from him since,so I took the matter here

The man screwed me from the get go,part of it I let happen,but he out and out lied about having the car transferred when he was supposed to.

I have all messages between him and I,as well as the pic he sent me of the shocks,and I invite him here to dispute what I have said.

Guys,I'm sorry I dragged this out so much,I just wanted to try and not leave any loose ends on my part.

Glen

[gsforless]

Update!!!

As you'd guess,this took me a while to type,so I figured I'd check my messages one last time before I posted this,to be sure "speedy121"hadn't replied anymore...

Guess what??

The jerk has deleted his profile!!

[cepx111]

I feel for you Glen but like you said in your own post you opted to go ahead and make the trade knowing the car was missing things that were suppose to be part of the deal.
You either must of really thought that you were getting the better deal on this trade or your one helluva nice guy who just doenst speak up for himself and let's people run over you.
Believe me in this business of trading cars there are people who will take advantage of someone if they feel like they can, you got to be firm and stand your ground if it were me I would of sent his azz packing with no trade, deal or not.
I would call him if he answers and try to arrange a time ya'll can meet up in person to discuss the matter further. It does sound like he wants to make good on the shocks at least.
If he doesn't then just chalk it up to experience and move on.

Remember the definetion of a good deal is when both parties think the other guy got screwed.

Goodluck , Charles

[gsforless]

Yeah,I did let it happen,and was cool with the deal,until he failed to tie up the loose ends on the title.

That was the only reason I pointed out the shocks and other stuff to him.Until that point I think he thought that I was none the wiser!

I'm still ok with the deal,it's just the principle and the way the guy operates that don't sit well with me,ya know?

As far as I'm concerned,he isn't offering to make good on anything,which,again,if he can live with it,I can live without it.

All he has offered is to replace the missing shocks with yet another pair that still aren't the ones he traded me.He admits guilt right there.And then he removes his profile!

Again,this is more than anything,a warning to honest guys that use this great site.

I greatly appreciate the input.

Thanks guys,
Glen

[gsforless]

I see that speedy121 has turned his profile back on.I'm gonna see if he will discuss the matter here.

[Scooterz]

Glen- you are good guy. A part of the few who still keep thier word. I sure hate to see someone like you get taken advantage of- especially when it comes time for me to make another deal.. I hope I can get an hoest guy like you. Nevertheless, this other guy knows good & well what he has done- he is dishonest & has probably done this before. His word is trash- he tries "pleed ignorance" or say he "forgot" ...or lie. This is his metality, it's what he does. Luckily, you sleep good at night... knowing you are honest. He on the other hand, he looks in the mirror & sees a liar & somone who can't back his word. If he looks in the mirror & LIES to himself, then he is HOPELESS. Thats my .02... my personal opinion. Regardless, don't beat yourself up for trusting the good side of people... there are still a few of us around.

[gsforless]

Thanks,Rigsby.I knew there would be someone out there that saw this as I do.I appreciate the input.

This guy is turning his profile on and off like a light switch!I sent him an invitation to discuss this here,in front of you guys,but he didn't reply!!

At this point,all I can say is Friday has came and gone,still with no transfer of the title.As I told him,I keep my word,and he is in for a surprise,when and if he decides to transfer the car!

He wouldn't go to the DMV...so I did!! :D

Glen

[Scooterz]

Glad to hear that you have something you can do at the DMV. My guess is he will dodge you for awhile & be flakey... main thing is don't let him get you down. Don't let him steal your peace... this dude is not worth it. Keep your cool & God will bless you in other ways leaving you in a better position than you had before.

[gsforless]

Understood,and thanks!Me having to "take care" of the title wasn't about the dealings he practices when he makes a trade,and I don't feel dragged down to his level in the least.It was all about not letting the guy continue to drive around in a car that is licensed and registered to me,or even letting someone else have it that way.

Glen

[Scooterz]

Yea, i agree... he should not have that luxury on top of what he has done! You are right- he needs to do the right thing & be responsible anyways. Glad you are not down about this whole thing... I have let bad deals get me down before, but in the end, it does no good.

[gsforless]

I know for sure that speedy121 is still using RJ,but he still doesn't respond to my messages.

May have to post an ad explaining this situation.I know not everyone comes into the forums,and I don't wanna see someone else have dealings like I have had with this guy!

[speedy121]

first of all id like to say that gs is crazy i noway no how told him the car had q1a shocks all the way around the car or a timming retard box so i dont unerstand why he is crying now i had the car noterized from his name and it was not being drove anywhere because it needed a motor the 1 that was in it was junk and futher more no 1 made him trade if u didnt want to trade it wouldnt have mattered to me yea i made the drive not him so all he had to say was no i cant trade and i would have went on back home but he must have thought he got a good deal because he traded an didnt say a thing about any thing on the car so why does he want to bitch about it now as far as im concerend he came out with the better end of the deal but i got what i want and he got what he wanted so o well quit whinning a trade is a trade !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

[gsforless]

1.)Glad to see you finally decided to join us,instead of continuing to hide.

2.)Which is it?Was the engine in the car I traded you junk,or was it"in the garage with the rearend out",as you said in a Racingjunk message to me?If the engine IS junk in it,possibly it's due to all the smoke rolling up from the rear tires in the picture on your profile(IF you have it turned on today).I drove the car to work daily with NO problems.

3.)Why did the picture you sent me of the rear suspension on the car you traded me show QA1 shocks?

4.) If you "never agreed to leave the timing controller on the car",as you stated in a Racingjunk message,why did I even know it ever had one on it in the first place.The telephone agreement was that ALL electronics stayed with the car,with the exception of the 6al box.

5.)I don't give a damn if you "notarized" the car I traded you fifteen times,that don't get it out of my name until it's ran through the system in Frankfort.The deal you agreed to was to TRANSFER the car,not "notarize" it,but that's not a concern now,I cleaned that mess up myself.

6.)If you think I'm "crazy",I'll be more than happy to show you just how right you are the next time I run into you.

Come back soon!

[gsforless]

[img]http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1952/qa1shocksoa0.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=qa1shocksoa0.jpg)

Come on now,James.Tell everyone here the story ya told me.Tell 'em how"the Malibu has never had QA1s on the back of it,and if you sent me a pic of a car with QA1s on it,you must have sent me a pic of your father-in-law's Nova,by mistake".

[speedy121]

your right u did tie up the loose end i know u junked the title but it was done ileagely is what the dmv said and some one is going to be in some trouble u can count on that and as for u threating me well im sure there is something that i can do about that too like i said if u didnt want to trade then u should have said no and that was all it would have took. if u felt like u got a bad deal then u shouldnt have traded im not going to keep this crap up its childish so now im the 1 who got screwed but ill have the last word on that

[mopar1968]

:) I haven't voiced a opinion here as often as i use to but i may have missed something,
[ 1] didn't you see the part's changed or gone when you traded?

[2] If so why did you go ahead with the trade?

I was just wondering about this!!

[gsforless]

I did see that the parts were changed/missing.That's not the problem,it was merely thrown in for everyone elses benefit-a reference for any future potential deals.The whole problem came in when this guy wouldn't get the car I traded him outta my name.

[lively]

I did see that the parts were changed/missing.That's not the problem,it was merely thrown in for everyone elses benefit-a reference for any future potential deals.The whole problem came in when this guy wouldn't get the car I traded him outta my name.


SORRY GLENN[REALLY]-BUT I THINK [ I] WENT TOOOOO FAR ON THIS ONE

YOU ARE CORRECT ON BEING UPSET ABOUT THE TITLE TRANSFER :shock: :shock: --{I WAS HAVING ONE OF THOSE DAYS}OLD AGE 8) 8) / HIGH PRICES :? :?

MY 2 CENTS--LIVELY

[gsforless]

lively-I have watched this forum for a long time,and always valued your opinions/input on a lot of situations(none of which involved me,until this one).I do believe you need to re-read the facts concerning this one.

1).The parts/deal is not/never was the issue here.

2).He offered to come to me.I was in no way obligated to "offer"him anything for making the trip.On another note,if you feel that I was,as stated in a previous post in this thread,I did GIVE the man a 7.5 posi and 4.10 gear for the car I traded him,which was NOT part of the deal.

3).I most certainly did NOT agree to him taking the title and transferring it whenever he seen fit to do so.It was AGREED that it would be done the first of the business week,when the office was open to do so.Read the post.

4).There is nothing "secret" about it.After giving the man nearly 6 weeks to transfer the car,I was left with no choice but to junk the title on it.Where is the arrogance or spitefulness in not wanting a complete stranger(of questionable character),to drive a car that is registered to me for well over a month?

5).What "this man",in fact needed to do,was to keep his word and transfer the damn car,and avoid all this.He was WELL aware three days before the fact,(and more than a month after he took the car)what would happen if the title did not get transferred.

lively,if protecting myself on this deal,after being far more than fair with this guy,makes me someone you "would not trust at all to deal with",your judgement is obviously not what I gave it credit for being.


lively,to put things in better perspective for you,have you got anything sitting around I can come get and drive the wheels off of,with no regard for the consequences YOU'LL face(after all,it is registered to YOU) if I hit another car and kill someone,rob a bank in it,let someone else borrow it and do whatever they want in it,etc?

lively,with any due respect,you're way off on this one.

Glen

[speedy121]

im not looking for a trade back im looking for legal action now on this matter because the dmv said someone had to lie to be able to junk the title with out turning in the tag so i guess thats where this is heading

[knova70]

Get it out of the owners name within atleast a week after you traded or suffer the consequences, You should have done this no sooner than you got the car home,Legally the car is still his as long as it is in his name,Look it up that is the law! He could have reported the car stolen,so be glad he did you a favor and didn't and just took it on his self and junked the title. Don't take this the wrong way, Just look at this as the truth. my 2 cents...........

[vincef]

I thought a "bill of sale" would cover everything, regardless of when the title is transfered???

If something happens where you become assocated with the activity because the title is still in your name then showing a signed bill of sale should be enough to CYA.

[outlaw256]

out of couriosity i called dmv yesterday, lady said a signes bill of sale covers the seller incase anything happens until legal transfer is completed.all liability is transfered to the buyer until then.

[mopar1968]

:oops: :oops: Ok now i see the problem, guess i had a brain fart :lol: :lol:

[gsforless]

I don't think the DMV varies that much from town to town,or state to state for that matter.I contacted the local DMV,and was advised to do what I did.I guess they told me to do something "illegal"?

There was no "bill of sale".That's something you give someone when there is no title.There was no notary papers,which there are several copies of(one of which I could have kept).The state of Kentucky has done away with the three or four copy "notary paper",several years ago.Now all you do is sign the back of the title,and it's up to the buyer to finish it up,unless of course,it can be taken to the DMV right then and there,which couldn't be done in this case,as it was a weekend.

He dropped the ball,not me,so don't blame me for his incompetence.Would ANY of you loan me YOUR car for a month or so,to drive as my own,doing whatever I wanted in it?Do you think for a second,that you would NOT be liable?The person the vehicle is registered to is liable for the vehicle.End of story.

[speedy121]

well im not going to talk about it any more im seeking legal action . i talked to a lawyer this morning and he said that i could do some thing about it..................

[gsforless]

It'd probably be easier on you,and most certainly cheaper to drive up here and go to the DMV and straighten it out,but you suit yourself.It definately makes no difference to me.

[hollowayshotrods]

gsforless, relax dude.

This thread has gotten crazy, the bottom line is if speedy agreed to get the title work done in one week, then he should have, regardless of any state or federal laws, despite whoever is responsible for the car legally.

What it boils down to, someone didn't keep their word, why it wasn't kept doesn't matter. If gsforless wants it out of his name in one week, and that was the agreement, then what is the problem? Parts removing/swapping, not being honest, misrepresentation, all that should be addressed at the time the deal is being made, (although I would have mentioned it as well while complaining about the title). If you made your deal, be happy about it and stand by your word.

[RonOwensRacing]

I'm not going to voice a opinion either way on these matter.

but i live in KY also and i sold a truck to a guy in Ohio and just signed the back of the title and it was notarized in front of a notary and he didnt put the title in his name i got lucky that it was never involved in a accident but when it came time for me to renew the plates on all my other vehicles i had to pay taxes on that truck again in order to get plates for my vehicles because the title had not been taken out of my name .

I got his name and number and gave it to the DMV and they contacted him and removed my name from the title .

It will never happen to me again thats for sure we will both go to the DMV and get it changed right then . To many things can happen.

[gsforless]

gsforless, relax dude.

This thread has gotten crazy, the bottom line is if speedy agreed to get the title work done in one week, then he should have, regardless of any state or federal laws, despite whoever is responsible for the car legally.

What it boils down to, someone didn't keep their word, why it wasn't kept doesn't matter. If gsforless wants it out of his name in one week, and that was the agreement, then what is the problem? Parts removing/swapping, not being honest, misrepresentation, all that should be addressed at the time the deal is being made, (although I would have mentioned it as well while complaining about the title). If you made your deal, be happy about it and stand by your word.

Well put! :)

[knova70]

Gsforless you did the right thing by junking the car,I had the same thing done to me on a truck in my own state,I called the guy numerous times and told him I was going to junk the title,as I soon did,I had seen the truck and it had different state plates on it,so I guess he got a title in another state,Pretty much what a tard,he could have just transferred it and not had any problems.If a bill of sale is okay to have as proof,Then somebody let me use there car to rob a bank and see who's house they come to,NOT MINE!

[lively]

[img]http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1952/qa1shocksoa0.th.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=qa1shocksoa0.jpg)

Come on now,James.Tell everyone here the story ya told me.Tell 'em how"the Malibu has never had QA1s on the back of it,and if you sent me a pic of a car with QA1s on it,you must have sent me a pic of your father-in-law's Nova,by mistake".

TO ME IT LOO0KS LIKE THERE ARE THE RIGHT SHOCKS IN THE PIC BUT THEY NEVER CAME WITH THE CAR [WHY--BECAUSE SOMEONE TOOK THEM OFF --JAMES CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS PLEASE!!!

THEN YOU CAN FIX YOUR TITLE PROBLEM!!!

LIVELY

[outlaw256]

easy man, i didnt read where anyone said anything about illegal.and i didnt read where anyone was blaming you for anything.i was (still am) thiking you were right doing what you did. he said he would handle it and he didnt, so you did.i KNOW what a bill of sale is. ive been doing this for a long time. and yea there is a difference from state to state. ive lived in 4 states since 75.and alabama is the most lax. you dont even have a title foe a car from 74 back.almost every car or bike we have bought or sold here that had a title also got a 2 signature bill of sale.all i did was relay what the lady told me when i called and asked.you kinda want to shoot the messenger. while i was typing this my wife came in and read it, she said the last bike title she took up to dmv they also asked if she had a bill of sale also.anyway hope it works out for you. saw the pics. like to see him backtrack on this one.

[gsforless]

easy man, i didnt read where anyone said anything about illegal.and i didnt read where anyone was blaming you for anything.i was (still am) thiking you were right doing what you did. he said he would handle it and he didnt, so you did.i KNOW what a bill of sale is. ive been doing this for a long time. and yea there is a difference from state to state. ive lived in 4 states since 75.and alabama is the most lax. you dont even have a title foe a car from 74 back.almost every car or bike we have bought or sold here that had a title also got a 2 signature bill of sale.all i did was relay what the lady told me when i called and asked.you kinda want to shoot the messenger. while i was typing this my wife came in and read it, she said the last bike title she took up to dmv they also asked if she had a bill of sale also.anyway hope it works out for you. saw the pics. like to see him backtrack on this one.

Sorry for the confusion!The "illegal" statement wasn't directed at you at all.Speedy was the one accusing me of doing something "illegal".
I do appreciate everyone's input here.

Thanks

[Scorpion1110]

well im not going to talk about it any more im seeking legal action . i talked to a lawyer this morning and he said that i could do some thing about it..................

Do ya really think there's an attorney that wont take your money and tell you you have a case?

BTW, verbal agreements are enforceable-If you end up in court with GSforless, hope you can prove that you held up your part of the deal-if not....

later,

Scorp

[gsforless]

Below is a copy directly from my RJ inbox,word for word,of the dialogue between speedy121 and I,since the deal.The first entry is at the bottom,so you have to start there and read up.

I know I have nothing to prove with you guys,but it's here to be seen that I gave the man every opportunity to get this deal done.

It's also in the reading where he offered to replace the shocks with a pair of Afcos to "make things right".

His general attitude and lack of concern is pretty evident in the conversation.

The last communication I've had with him(other than here,in the forum),is the top entry where he asks for the pic of the shocks,which I promptly sent.He hasn't replied since(other than here).I have sent him a couple messages since sending him the pic he requested,one with my phone number,telling him to call me,but have gotten no reply.
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From: speedy121 To: gsforless Date: 2008-06-18 10:27:52
Subject:
Re: Ad #1233405
well u send me the pics

On [2008-06-18 10:25:22] gsforless wrote:
> I'll tell you what,partner.I'm gonna send you the pic you sent me(like you need to see it).What's coming to me is what I want.I want what I was showed,just as as YOU got.And,no,that won't"make it right".It's just what I'll settle for.If you're not able to do that,we'll just drop it,and I'll take it to the forum.
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> On [2008-06-18 10:08:06] speedy121 wrote:
> > if u think screwed on those shocks ill send u a set there not q1a s though there afco if that will make things right
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> > On [2008-06-18 10:02:38] gsforless wrote:
> > > After this,I'm gonna let this go before I get pissed.I've used RJ for a long time and met a lotta good honest people dealing here,and you're the first I can say I wouldn't mess with again.I knew I wasn't gonna get anywhere with MY shocks.If I were,you wouldn't have done it in the first place.It must be a real disappointment to be shady enough to pull something like this and not have the balls to take credit for it.I'd have to at least man up and admit it,even if I wasn't gonna make it right.End of story,unless,of course,you wanna continue,I WILL bring it into the Forum and let the entire RJ community know how you operate.
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> > > Glen
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> > > On [2008-06-17 22:45:27] speedy121 wrote:
> > > > well im sorry thats the way u feel
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> > > > On [2008-06-17 19:42:30] gsforless wrote:
> > > > > I am a man of my word,and I'll wait til Friday,as I said.
> > > > > As far as everything else is concerned,we both know the truth and right from wrong.I should have said I can't trade with you?If I had been you,I'd have never made the trip,thinking I might say that,after what you did.
> > > > > The shocks were my concern,everything else I wasn't so much concerned about,although you screwed me on that too(it's not a feeling,it's a fact,a fact that I was gonna let go unmentioned until I found out today that you didn't get the car outta my name as you said you would).
> > > > > I don't know what the hell you're talking about on the Nova.Does he have a Nova with G body suspension?Do I need to post the pics?You know what happened,and it'll most likely end up in the forum,or maybe an ad,before it's over.
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> > > > > On [2008-06-17 18:15:04] speedy121 wrote:
> > > > > > i understand about the title but the car has been in the garage since i got it from u with no rear end in it and as far as the wheels r the ones from the malibu but those tires r the ones that were on the that car as far as the timing control i never told u id leave it on the car and for the shocks it never had q1a s on it if i sent u a pic like that it must have been a pics of my fatherinlaws nova by mistake
> > > > > > if u think i screwed u should have just said u cant trade and that would have been fine with me ill have the title out of ur name by friday im sorry u feel like i screwed u
> > > > > > On [2008-06-17 16:03:34] gsforless wrote:
> > > > > > > Just thought I'd let you know,I checked with the clerk's office today.You still haven't transferred the white car.
> > > > > > > I understand all about trading and dealing,and how it benefits you to keep the title "open",if you don't plan on keeping a vehicle,but that wasn't the deal.The car is licensed and driveable,and I'm responsible for it.
> > > > > > > I'm gonna check back with the clerk's office on Friday June 20,and if it still hasn't been transferred,I'll have no choice but to junk the title on the car.
> > > > > > > I've been more than fair on it.If I'd wanted to be an ass about things,I'd have junked it the day after you picked it up,seeing as how you changed the rear shocks on the orange car(I have pics that you sent showing the QA1's that you also said on the phone were on the rear of the car,plus most of the bolts were loose),you didn't give me the rear tires you were supposed to(again,on the phone you told me they were a different size than what was on the car when you showed up,and amazingly they were supposed to be the size that are on the Camaro in your other ad,the one that has the rear wheels that used to be on the orange car,so I'm sure you changed the wheels AND tires,rather that "just the wheels are different,same tires",as you said in an email),and the timing controller that was supposed to be in the car wasn't there.
> > > > > > > A lotta people would have put it back on you by scrapping the title on the car then and there,but I'm not like that.Don't think for a second that you pulled one over on me.I did notice all this when you were here,but you came a long way,which I did appreciate,so I didn't want you to leave empty-handed.The deal was definately NOT as it was supposed to be.
> > > > > > > The white car was EXACTLY as I represented it to you,I took plenty of pics,even insisted on taking more pics for you,every deal I make is honest.I can live without the other stuff,but you same as screwed me outta $400 by changing the rear shocks on this car,and if there's anything to you at all,you'll box them up and send them to me.
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> > > > > > > Glen
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I should also add something that should have been said long ago,before this thread got so long,and lively can confirm that I said this in a pm to him a few days ago.

On this shock deal,I THOUGHT something was up with the shocks when I saw them,but then I second guessed myself as to whether the car was in fact supposed to have the QA1s or not.The thought that someone would pull something like this just blowed my mind and I wanted to get a chance to pull the pictures he had sent me up on my computer before saying anything about them.

This post to the thread probably has little importance,but I just wanted to add in the email conversation between the two of us,as I have nothing to hide here,and he won't even respond to questions asked by you guys.

I really appreciate all the support.

Glen

[Scooterz]

Well Glen, It's been awhile since I looked at this... but I am going to say the same thing: you are a nice guy that got screwed in the end. Speedy lies & cheats. If he wasn't a liar, you would have not been so pasionate abvout this thread!!! BTW, speedy did not chime in till way later when he started to try to justify himself... he lied, got away with it & now is talking about a lawyer??? You get what you deserve "Speedy" ... you & the new lawyer are not so different anyways!!! I hope he takes your money & does nothing like they all do... after all, it's really what you deserve anyways. Glen, you have all the facts, have nothing to hide, posted the pics, the dialoge, etc... all the while speedy chimes in only to try to put a "spin" on this... give me a break, you know you don't have a lawyer... you are full of BS & you tried to take advantage of a good person. FOLKS: GLEN SAID IT, HE OVERLOOKED THE INCONSISTENCIES, BECAUSE HE IS A NICE GUY... but then "speedy gonzales" did not come through... Glen got taken advatage of. Speedy never did what he said he would do... lied about things... before or after does not matter... he is a liar. someone stick up for Glen... he is human. We all have been there in one way or another, speedy is shady, thats what this is all about... period. We don't need people like this on RJ!!! Speedy- quit while you are ahead... go somewhere else. You know you are shady... you have no legal case here.

[mopar1968]

Well said ''Rigsby'' I agree 100% with you!!

[gsforless]

I really appreciate all the support on this from you guys.Although I know none of you personally,it truly means a lot to me,just knowing there are good,honest people out there that will support even a total stranger when they feel he is doing the right thing.

You ALL have my respect,

Glen

[zipper06]

I'm in your cornor Glen, but i doubt if you will ever get closure on this trade. I too think speedy just wasn't thinking that he could keep the title in your name forever until he sold it. One thing troubles me is that you said it was a driver, he came back and said the car was sitting in his garage because the rearend was out of it. I do realize that you had an agreement to change the title imediately to his name. In his defence some states will not change a title without inspecting the vehicle, IE Az,Il. and i'm sure some other states, i donot know about Oh. I do realize that you got screwed on the shocks, which he admitted, i also realize that to agreement was made to change the title immediately. I know you're doing sleepless nites, but i think if i were in your shoes i would just let it ride, i'm certain that the good people/buyer/traders will not be doing business with this person in the future due to this post.
Bottom line my friend i think you win.

JMO

Zip.

[gsforless]

Yeah Zipper I agree.It's time to let this one rest!

The car was definately driveable when he took it.It was driven daily.

The car also never left KY.It didn't change states,so it didn't require inspection for transfer,but I know what you're talking about.I got the car from S.C.,and had to have it inspected when I transferred it.

Glen

[Scooterz]

Good advice Zip. Can't let a bad deal take away your peace. life in general will bring justice to those who are dishonest... we don't have to do a thing.