Let's make this list shorter

[robinhorn]

Why do people not use C.O.D. I just bought a $2,500.00 front clip for a nova from a guy in la. He wanted a bank check and already had a few this and that's and a person die and so on.

Make a long story short, I told him NO COD NO SALE. Well my friends it came COD and I went to the shipping company and looked at it before one penney left my hand, he did not want to pay the fee... so I did a whole $112.00. Wow a little money when your looking at $2,500.00.

Come on guy's if the seller does not want to do C.O.D then say no sale.

As for all of these motors and paying all up front... no way. We have a shop local and it's pay as they go. I would not send or pay anyone more then 10% up front.

[outlaw256]

i agree with you 100%. i bought a rearend not long ago and i was lucky i dealt with a standup guy. but until that rear got here i was TERRIFIED .cod for me!

[bubbabbc]

What about the racer wannabes, the clowns that don't have the money so you get to pay the shipping both ways. Be there, and it won't happen again. These guys are first cousins to "the checks in the mail" clan. There are a lot of good people who race, and there are a lot of dreamers, and a small portion of thieves.

[RonOwensRacing]

Yep i get between three and four a month sent back to me because the customer never had the money or nobody at home deal i still ship some cod but not if i can help it and with the cost of shipping it's not cheap.

[hammertime]

Problem with COD is a bunch of dead beats want to look at parts and you end up paying both ways for them. Happens a lot, good parts just a lot of lookers instead of buyers.
I wont take COD

[Tod74]

Very good point...but if I'm selling parts it's cause I need some money. Not about to risk losing the shipping money both ways when someone gets buyer remorse or can't scrape up the money.

[hollowayshotrods]

I have been using PayPal for eight years now, never any problems. I know, you do not want to pay the fee to use PayPal, that is ok too, if you like chasing and waiting for money. You have to have a checking account to have PayPal, if you don't have a checking account, then that alone is a red flag. It was Hammertime or maybe Scorpion that said it best :

" There are no victims, only volunteers".

Also keep in mind, when you sell something and the persons money is in your hand or bank account YOU NO LONGER OWN THE ITEM, send it to the new owner within 24 hours, ALWAYS using a tracking number. I guess I am just shocked at the folks that keep falling for the scams. 8)

[mopar1968]

:) But the draw back to C.O.D is i am at work when U.P.S comes by my house no-one is here, so C.O.D won't work here.

[bbchevy]

BIGGEST PROBLEM with COD=YOU CANNOT SEE IN THE BOX!
And iw ill GUARENTEE that the UPS Man wWill NOT Tell you,Yep,Just go ahead and Open it up,if its Not what you want?No Problem,you can just send it Back?RIGHT.........It could
Be a BOX OF ROCKS?????????
I realy think(PAY-PAL)Is the Way to Go!If your close on the Money for the Part,just bump the Price 3%!If that Breaks the Deal?OH'WELL
Later
G 8)

[zipper06]

Paypal, been there for over 7 yrs. you got the money before they got the part, only had one problem in 7 yrs. which i got $85.00 of $110.00 lost back. I both buy and sell useing paypal on ebay.

JMO


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[outlaw256]

well im one man that dont mind saying i might be wrong. i didnt think you could go wrong with cod . i guess i didnt think it all the way thru. after i read all the replies i see there is alot that can go wrong.i have a pay pal account never used it.i dont think i even know how.but i think i will learn because i see alot of goodies here on rj that i sure could use.

[robinhorn]

No what we did was called and got a shipping rate, guess what that is the amount I paid as a deposit. I went to the trucking company and picked it up. They are open 24 hours a day 5 days a week.

If the guy is buying your part and does not want to leave a deposit then good luck. I use paypal for the deposit so if they do not send the part. I file and get my money back.

Remember I sent $225.00 the cost of shipping both ways to protect my $2,500.00 I was about to spend.

I was able to see it before I paid. That's one of the good things about COD with a truck shipping company. UPS will also let you look before you sign. Yeah I know the driver will give you a hard time but stand your ground and you will in the end be able to look if your having it shipped to your house.

When your buying on line your dealing with a screen name bit someone you know. WHY take the risk.

I am a fraud investigator and can tell you I have seen it all and heard even more. I take the safe way or it does not happen. I have helped many people get back money from scammers on here. Anyone remember the Yellow Bus gang.

[lano]

The UPS guys around here will NEVER let us open a box and inspect it. Once the box is opened, the shipper does NOT have to take it back.

If you used Paypall, then what was the need for COD ? Paypall would have helped protect you, COD or NOT, right.

COD costs extra money, and guarantees nothing.

[RonOwensRacing]

My ups guy and FedEx will not let you open a box before it is paid for i know this for a fact i have asked numerous times and no way will they do it they will put it right back on the truck at least in my area anyway.

And i ship all over the country and out of the us also and let me tell ya when you eat the shipping both ways and you sell on a small profit margin like i do it dont take long until these cod's will eat you alive I'm just about done with cod if i lose a sell over that then i will just have to lose the sell because i have to ad the shipping charges right back into the cost and why should i or my customers have to en cure the cost of someone Else's negligence and not taking there order in the first place.

i do except all types of payments and still i get a lot of people wanting to ship cod but it just is getting to hard to do when you get back as many as i do .

I think you should check on whom ever you are buying from and get all there info also PH# address and person you talked to .

i got burned a couple of years ago for 1800.00 dollars myself so i can understand where you dont want to send your money to a stranger just do a check on them and it may help.

[hotrodharley]

i've sent parts before by COD and the big thing why i want sell COD is last one i did it took a month after package arrived at buyer before i got my money from UPS. i'm like most;if i sell something it is because i need the money to buy something else.if you got to wait that long to get your money from COD then most of time what you are selling to buy has already got sold to someone else.
NO COD'S FOR ME ANYMORE
as to UPS letting you open a COD package befor paying is a NO-NO;;i know this for sure.i have a good friend that works for them and he told me that if package got open then they would loose there job..i also had a friend got a package by COD and when he open it it was full of newspaper and a brick..he contacted UPS about it and they said that nothing could be done because it was his word against senders word on what was in the box.
PAY-PAL IS BEST SO FARE THAT I'VE FOUND.YOU BOTH HAVE SOME PROTECTION THERE[SENDER AND RECIEVER]

[zipper06]

Colud i have been scammed, probably but i put enough disclaimmers on the ad that i took no chances.

First i list a 55 chevy belair frame off on ebay resto, for $38,000.00 buy it now, i also stated that it was for sale locally, so i reserved the right to remove the ad before it closed.I also stated absolutely no foriegn currency or M.O.s. In the end i wound up selling it locally for $37,000.00 cash, but because i couldn't remove the ad in the last 12 hrs. of the listing ( i didn't know this) all i could do was delete the bids and make a note that it sold locally in the bid history. Ebay showed the item didn't sell, in the end. That night i got the first message from Norway, and this guy showed 130 transactions with 100% positive.

Dear zipper050_3,

I was just going to buy your car if you just had let me inn!!

Bertil Norway overseas

I responded with i had no experience with overseas shipping thats why the disclaimer.

Dear zipper050_3,

My shipping address is in Florida,so it woulden`t bee a problem, But OK sold is sold .Its a shame .Nice car!
Thanks Bert

The next day i talked to a good friend and fellow racer who like robinshorn is a a state investigater for the att. generals office in vehicular fraud. He said damn you could have been lucky, we have at this time 3 cases pending from the Netherlands with bogus M.O.s and the shipping destination is also in Fl.

http://img31.picoodle.com/img/img31/4/5/4/t_1000632m_0f0ec74.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/4/5/4/f_1000632m_0f0ec74.jpg&srv=img31)

http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/4/5/4/t_1000635m_78ef8cf.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/4/5/4/f_1000635m_78ef8cf.jpg&srv=img34)

I would have taken $1,000.00 deposit via paypal, but that was all.

JMO

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[Tod74]

Ok I have a question. I always use pay pal on ebay. When I sell something I immediately transfer the money to my checking account. Lets just for the sake of argument make up a scenario

Say I sell a guy something and he pays through paypal. I transfer the money to my bank account then ship it to him. He decides he don't want it...sends it back...then files a claim with paypal.Paypal told HAMMERTIME that when the guy sends it back before he files a claim he almost always wins. Now here is my question.

If the money is transfered to my checking account already...can paypal pull it out and refund it to the guy?

[hollowayshotrods]

I can tell Tod is a Chevy man, asking good questions like that! I would like to know that answer too. I can't imagine they have any authority other than to take listing/store fees out of your account. Man, wouldn*t that piss a guy off!

[kslicks]

The guy you bought the front end from in LA it wasent Buris Glassworks was it? Guys name is Troy? If it is he's the one who got me for shipping to. For more info on him look up Buris Glassworks. Beware!

[zipper06]

Ok I have a question. I always use pay pal on ebay. When I sell something I immediately transfer the money to my checking account. Lets just for the sake of argument make up a scenario

Say I sell a guy something and he pays through paypal. I transfer the money to my bank account then ship it to him. He decides he don't want it...sends it back...then files a claim with paypal.Paypal told HAMMERTIME that when the guy sends it back before he files a claim he almost always wins. Now here is my question.

If the money is transfered to my checking account already...can paypal pull it out and refund it to the guy?


Both right and wrong, If there's someting wrong with the item or it was mis-represented in the ad, it goes into mediation involving both parties, including pics. and statements. Not wanting it is not good enough.
However if a seller doesn't send an item in a timely fashion as stated in the ad, by all means paypal has the authority to pull the payment back out of your checking/bank account or if paid for with a credit card they can back bill your credit card for the funds.
I had that happen to me when i bought a fuel pump drive and i paid thru paypal. (cost $110.00)The pump wasn't shipped after 3 weeks i filed a complaint and the guy only had $62.00 in his account and he would not answer paypal. They zero'ed out his account and paid me the $85.00. That was over a yr. ago and the claim to his account is still pending by paypal as un-resolved.
I guess the seller could cancel his ebay account and get away with it though i think it would then go to a collection agency which wouldn't help his credit rating if he had one that was any good.

JMO

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[robinhorn]

ziper06 and others. This can and will happen to you if you sell. As for them taking back money they only can if something is in the account. So you who think pal pal is safe, it is for actual people selling real items. If someone want to steal your cash then pal pay is the best bet. Like stated above, only a small refund.

I sold a guy parts on ebay and he got the part and then claimed fraud. I won, why because I had all the emails and tracking number and proof he got the item. My money was held up for 45 days. Now that is a long time not knowing if your going to get your cash.

I see a number of people talking about UPS and C.O.D. I don't use ups I do truck shipping. Check the rate out sometime you will see why I do. Look at how you class a item. Car parts are way less then if you say rims and new stuff. Class it as used car PARTS.

The front frame weighed 200 pounds and the shipping was $112.00 and was at the dock in 2 days.

All I am saying is don't just give these a$$holes your hard earned money. I hate to see people lose thousands of dollars because of trying to save a few bucks.

I just completed a case in NC where a young lady took someone elses name and conducted fraud to the tune of $69,000.00 dollars. This was her 3rd time. Yes 3rd time and she got 30 months in jail. She made out, that equals $2,300.00 a month.

If you think you will ever get you money back you are dreaming. Some people get lucky... I helped a few. 99% of the time they go to jail and you get a paper that says if they ever have money you will get some. Well stand in line because these people also do not pay tax. IRS is first in line.

I would like to state a post that asked for people to post if they ever got back money lost in a scam and how much did they get back. It's a wake up call people.

[Tod74]

I was speaking in hypotheticals...I have never nor do I plan on ripping anyone off. I always ship immediately and have perfect feedback...I was just thinking about hammertime's deal awhile back with the pistons. I even have placed arrows on pictures pointing out bad spots in parts before...don't want anyone feeling ripped off.I know how I would feel.

[robinhorn]

Tod74, I hope you did not think I took any of your post in the wrong way. I think everyone who has replied are good people looking to help in a very bad matter.

My post is just to offer another option. I hate seeing people lose money. We all work hard for it and want a deal from time to time.

I am 100% sure not 1 scammer will reply to this post. They come in and read it but offer noting on how to stop them from stealing your money.

Racingjunk should reqiure a credit card to open an account to sell on here. The name on the account would have to match the card. Bam no more 500 different screen names and it be the same scammer.

I know people have cool screen names they post by and I am fine with that. Mine is real.

There has to be a way to set this up. When a guy scams someone then he only gets one person and not 15 or 20.

Ebay has it down.

[Gimmethakick]

I'm all for RJ being a paying members only website. I pay my $6.95 a month and have no intention of ripping anyone off. The people on here that constantly have 3 or 4 cars for sale under 3 or 4 different names and never make an honor payment would be gone. Crooks wouldn't pay for this and its a hell of a lot cheaper than Sam's club. This should get alot of responces.

[hotrodharley]

I'm all for RJ being a paying members only website. I pay my $6.95 a month and have no intention of ripping anyone off. The people on here that constantly have 3 or 4 cars for sale under 3 or 4 different names and never make an honor payment would be gone. Crooks wouldn't pay for this and its a hell of a lot cheaper than Sam's club. This should get alot of responces.


not wanting to start a war on here;;this is just my experance on this subject on not being alowed on this site if you are not a paying member does not keep the scamers away..i'm not a paid member but i've been here for a few years.the reason i'm not a paid member is i'm on disabilty and i can not afford to pay membership and build my car also..i have been a seller[i pay honor payment on everything i sell on here]i'm a bigger buyer on here.i've bought 80% of my parts from this site..now if they was to make this a pay only member site then i would had to buy somewhere else that was open to the public.

back to if was only paying members only site does not make it a honest persons only site..as a matter of fact;;i've been taking on this site 3 different times and 2 of the 3 that took me was paying members..

i feel strongly that if this site had a feedback system as e-bay then this would help us keep from getting took by someone that has bad feedback..bad feedbacks warns you not to buy from this person.

as i said at first of this..don't want a war started over my comments.it is only me thinking out loard only.not pointing at anyone on here at no means..