POWER STROKE OR CUMMINS WHICH ONE IS BETTER HELP

[bigray]

HELP,getting ready to buy a pull truck a 05 to 06 ford or dodge diesel.four door duelly.WHICH ONE IS BETTER DODGE OR FORD......HELP I CANT DECIDE...........

[hammertime]

IMO the powerstroke 7.3 is a good motor. We have both the cummings and powerstroke. Powerstroke seems to have more power.

[gearhead1011]

The '05-'06 ford is going to have the 6.0 in it and that's not nearly as good a motor as the 7.3. Performance-wise it's supposed to run better than the 7.3. The big problem with the 6.0 is head gasket failure. I have heard Ford did an upgrade that is supposed to solve this problem but I think I would stay away from the 6.0 although I have a friend that has had the Ford with the 6.0 and never had a problem with it. With the Dodge you have to worry about a lift pump failure that will take the injection pump out, a repair that runs upwards of 2k. You can put a fuel pressure gauge or a low pressure warning light on the Dodge. This will let you know when the lift pump fails and can save you the expense of replacing the injector pump. I hate to say it because I'm a Ford guy but if I was shopping for a '05-'06 diesel truck I would go with the Dodge.

[hammertime]

The '05-'06 ford is going to have the 6.0 in it and that's not nearly as good a motor as the 7.3. Performance-wise it's supposed to run better than the 7.3. The big problem with the 6.0 is head gasket failure. I have heard Ford did an upgrade that is supposed to solve this problem but I think I would stay away from the 6.0 although I have a friend that has had the Ford with the 6.0 and never had a problem with it. With the Dodge you have to worry about a lift pump failure that will take the injection pump out, a repair that runs upwards of 2k. You can put a fuel pressure gauge or a low pressure warning light on the Dodge. This will let you know when the lift pump fails and can save you the expense of replacing the injector pump. I hate to say it because I'm a Ford guy but if I was shopping for a '05-'06 diesel truck I would go with the Dodge.

opps missed the year he is correct the 6.0 has lots of head gasket problems and dead on with the lift pump on the cummings $1500.00 to rebuild $2200-$3000 for a reman one and its very common. Still a better truck over a 6.0 you should look at a older ford with a 7.3

[gearhead1011]

The '05-'06 ford is going to have the 6.0 in it and that's not nearly as good a motor as the 7.3. Performance-wise it's supposed to run better than the 7.3. The big problem with the 6.0 is head gasket failure. I have heard Ford did an upgrade that is supposed to solve this problem but I think I would stay away from the 6.0 although I have a friend that has had the Ford with the 6.0 and never had a problem with it. With the Dodge you have to worry about a lift pump failure that will take the injection pump out, a repair that runs upwards of 2k. You can put a fuel pressure gauge or a low pressure warning light on the Dodge. This will let you know when the lift pump fails and can save you the expense of replacing the injector pump. I hate to say it because I'm a Ford guy but if I was shopping for a '05-'06 diesel truck I would go with the Dodge.

opps missed the year he is correct the 6.0 has lots of head gasket problems and dead on with the lift pump on the cummings $1500.00 to rebuild $2200-$3000 for a reman one and its very common. Still a better truck over a 6.0 you should look at a older ford with a 7.3

That's what I did. I bought a 2000 3 years ago. I think Ford used the 7.3 until '03 or '04. Then in 2007 they went to the 6.4 which from what I've heard is a good powerplant.

[kw89425]

i have an 06 1 ton dodge with almost 69,000 miles on it. i got it in feb. 06 from then till july 06 i pulled campers and trailers that was how i paid the bills. it is an auto didnt think i would like that but i like it pretty well. i havent had any problems at all out of the truck. i ran up and down the road with chevys and fords pully exact trailers. it still has the stock pipe but i did put a cold air kit on it trust me when i say it will out pull the other 2 any day of the week.

[bigray]

THANKS EVERYBODY FOR THE INPUT.i think we are going to buy a dodge this weekend.its sounds like the better truck.i like the lift pump guage a lot better than a head gasket problem. i couldn't think of a better place to ask this question than right he among other racers that pull race car trailers.thanks again.GOING SHOPPING

[Scotty2]

i have an 06 1 ton dodge with almost 69,000 miles on it. i got it in feb. 06 from then till july 06 i pulled campers and trailers that was how i paid the bills. it is an auto didnt think i would like that but i like it pretty well. i havent had any problems at all out of the truck. i ran up and down the road with chevys and fords pully exact trailers. it still has the stock pipe but i did put a cold air kit on it trust me when i say it will out pull the other 2 any day of the week.

My brother has an 06 Dodge .... 2 sets of injectors and 1 turbo with180,000KM (110,000 miles )I run fords :D

[mopar1968]

I work at a chrysler-dodge dealership there is a ford dealer next door, i work on cummins, the only problem with the cummins is computer updates, as far as mechanical none whatso ever, now the ford guys tell us that they are replacing engines at least 3 per week, for blown headgaskets, egr cooler leaking coolant into cylinders and hydrolocking them bending rods. :) :) :)

[bigray]

the only thing i can seem to find bad on the dodge's is fuel lift pump.but they say just install a fuel press guage.and keep an eye on it. i guess the real kicker is we race with a dodge diesel mech.and it's kinda like having the mech with you all the time.but damn i like the room in the ford;s but i really think its going to be a dodge.i found a 05 four door duelly,with 74k and an auto for 18500.00 and new tires.and never had a goosneck in it.look's like were going to the bank monday.thanks to everybody for all the input...

[ImBack]

Cant go wrong with a Cummins,if the powerstroke is so good why did Ford put Cummins in all their big trucks for years? :mrgreen:

[mopar1968]

On the 2005 and later the lift pumps are in tank, no longer mounted on side of engine works alot better. :) :)

[olds48]

I'm a Duramax man.180,000 miles and replaced nothing but three idler pulleys(only one went bad,didn't trust the other two) and the belt.It snapped when the pulley seized.hard to drive thru town with no power steering and 35s. :( .Runs quiet enough I can still whisper in my girl's ear without hollering,too.My dad has a rattle-trap Ford with a 6.0.Loudloudloud.Swears he's buying a Chevy next.Dang 6.0 wants to run at 3000 rpm's all the time.No bottom-end in my opinion.BUT,my momma's Dodge is STOUT.If you can keep it in the road.Like driving with one front tire flat all the time.CHEVY all the way(even if it really is an Isuzu :oops: )!!!Of course my girl friend loves her 6.0,but what do women know......

[gimmemud]

We have an 08 powerstroke 6.4 twin turbo and it will pull circles around a cummins or duramax, but fuel mileage sux, about 10mpg loaded, but I dont cut it any slack, usualy around 90mph with a 28' enclosed trailer.

[kw89425]

well i beg to differ i doubt it will run circles around either unless your running a big box

[gimmemud]

yes a bully dog, set on the lowest setting, and the hills in Tennesse says it will out pull my friends 07 dodge and another friends 06 duramax. Going From Chattanooga to Nashville on I24 which I believe is a 15% grade for about 15 miles I left both of them like they were tied to a stump, and they were doing all they could. Also the dodge had a lighter load than I had, I was pulling a 28' enclosed with car in side, he was pulling a 16' open trailer with car.

[mopar1968]

Well lets see now you are a 8 cylinder, cummins is a 6cyl :? :? if your turbo is factory it really isn't a twin turbo, the electric one just feeds the big one so there won't be any lag.

[gimmemud]

I dont really care if the little one feeds the starter, it is advertised from ford as a 6.4 twin turbo, from looking under the hood I cant even tell if there is a engine under all that stuff or not. I have no reason to tell anyone anything different than what I have personal experience with, this truck will pull like a mad mule. I have a 7.3 powerstroke with a bully dog also and this one will pull circles around it too.

[kw89425]

well with any luck we can run across each other on day and see. i really cant see it running any circles around my lil 5.9 none of the others can

[gimmemud]

Maybe so, I will be making the trip back up I24 on April 11th, i will be looking for ya. :D

[mopar1968]

:lol: :lol: :lol: ain't this fun :) :) :)

[TD495T]

dodge cummins is the only way to go, have worked on powerjokes and duracracks and cummins are much easier to work on and maintain, you would think the powerjoke or the duracrack both being v8s would out pull the little 6 cyl. cummins but they wont.

wade

[ImBack]

Said it before and ill say it again if v-8 diesels are so F-CKING great how many semi trucks run them NONE YES NONE!@!! Your buddy with the Cummins and open trailer joke was pretty funny. My cousin has an 05 8.1 hd i have an 04 Cummins he follows me to the races because i have to let off in the middle of hills to keep from rearending him.Thats no joke and the 8.1 liter will SMOKE a stock durajunkmaxipad. :mrgreen:

[kw89425]

we all know an inline motor will make more torque than a v motor. the people selling the boxs will tell anything to sell them. in the big world im cat all the way in a pickup the cummins is all there is. kiss me i think im cummins rather be cummin than strokin. well you guys have already heard them all :lol:

[suicidebomb]

This is cewl 8) . We got ourselves a DE-BATE. :)

[ImBack]

This is cewl 8) . We got ourselves a DE-BATE. :) No debate just stating facts :mrgreen: LOL

[mopar1968]

Now we have to be nice it is a debate, but cummins is the better one. i own one i should know this!!

[ImBack]

Ditto,you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[NorthMotorSports]

Hmmmmm thats a really good question and all I got to say is ive owned two power strokes one cummins and three DMAXs and really pound for pound the cummins are better trucks in my opinion mine was an 05' and I drove the piss out of it put 300,000 miles on it and it still ran great pulled stock and race trailers with it and it did just fine plus they sound great if you put a 6in. open pipe on it and let r eat!!!!! :wink: :wink: :wink:

[NorthMotorSports]

Said it before and ill say it again if v-8 diesels are so F-CKING great how many semi trucks run them NONE YES NONE!@!! Your buddy with the Cummins and open trailer joke was pretty funny. My cousin has an 05 8.1 hd i have an 04 Cummins he follows me to the races because i have to let off in the middle of hills to keep from rearending him.Thats no joke and the 8.1 liter will SMOKE a stock durajunkmaxipad. :mrgreen:

Hey now dont be hatein on the DMAX :( :( :(

[suicidebomb]

Its dying down, sombody get a big spoon and stir this thing back up! :wink:

[olds48]

Said it before and ill say it again if v-8 diesels are so F-CKING great how many semi trucks run them NONE YES NONE!@!! Your buddy with the Cummins and open trailer joke was pretty funny. My cousin has an 05 8.1 hd i have an 04 Cummins he follows me to the races because i have to let off in the middle of hills to keep from rearending him.Thats no joke and the 8.1 liter will SMOKE a stock durajunkmaxipad. :mrgreen:

If inlines are so great then why don't you put a 250 ci 6 banger in your hot rod????No matter what someone owns certain "types" of people always have to out-do the other guy.There is nothing particulary wrong with any of them.I personally believe tha Dodge pulls better,the Chevy rides and drives the best and the Ford is a good truck if you want a diesel without spending alot of money,and don't mind listening to it start on a cold day.Or I should say cool day.Anywhere below 60 degrees outside,if you start a Powerstroke it beats,bangs and bucks like mad till it heats up a bit.Sounds scary.Dodge and Chevy start without any dramatics.For that reason alone I believe That Dodger and Chevy might have put a little more effort into their trucks(injectors???)

THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THERE AIN'T A HILL OF BEANS DIFFERENCE IN ANY OF THEM :P THEY ARE ALL MADE FROM IMPORTED JAPANESE/CHINESE PARTS AND SLAPPED TOGETHER ON AN ASSEMBLY LINE BY SOME DUDE THAT PROBABLY DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT PART HE IS HOLDING."PUT TAB "A" INTO SLOT "B"...HMMMM) :shock:
This thread started as a guy needing advice ,and has turned into a "MY truck is better than YOUR truck" grade school argument.It is amazing how childish some guys can get while proving their "manliness" :roll:

[kw89425]

hmmm lets see how many years ago did they give up on v8 deisel's in semi's? back in the day the old 250 inline when worked on by the right guy made alot of v8 owners sick. how can you compare a inline 250 to todays 600 and 700 cubic inch motor's. if you want to see some real racing look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlELmIC0rWc

[olds48]

:?: I wasn't comparing 250 sixes to 700 ci engines.I was trying to make a point about.....oh,nevermind....... :roll:

[olds48]

Cool video though!!!

[mopar1968]

I really don't care what anyone say's i am in the automotive/ diesel field 5 day's per week, around dodge's, ford's, chevy's, and if duramax is great why did chevy sell it to toyota? 6.4 liter cornbinders, are being replaced on a daily basis, the cummins CANNOT be replaced by a duramax and certainly not by a cornchopper!!!!! no matter how many chips you stack on them!!!!!!!!

[kw89425]

well the little cummins is a proven product the same motor is in all kinds of things boats construction ag. the same motor that has been in use for years befor it ended up in a pick up truck. they just keep improving on it. i dont know anything about the new 6.8 havent heard anything on them and dont know anybody that has one yet.

[mopar1968]

you mean the 6.7 cummins? good engine, don't want to miss lead anyone has some computer issues, up dated at dealership, is running convertor in exhaust, but no major problems.

[NorthMotorSports]

Dude from what ive seen and from what all these guys are sayin you should prolly go with the cummins....... These guys know their shit :wink: :wink: :wink:

[bigray]

well its done... bought a 05 4 door DODGE runs great, 75k miles, power everytyhing,auto trans,new tires.and never had a gooseneck in it.no bully dog or fresh air,just a virgin...all factory.got it for 19,500.00 thanks for everybody's input..

[mopar1968]

:shock: :shock: :shock: that sounds like my truck :!: :!:

[johnny655]

I have a 6 liter in an excursion and a 7.3 in a crew cab dually. The 6 liter will run circles around the 7.3 and tows great It also runs 9.50s at the drag strip in the 1/8th. The only mod is a super chip program. I have not had any problem with my 6.0. I have 145,000 thousand miles on it with over 100,000 of them being with the program installed. It gets roughly 16 to 17 miles to the gallon. With my two trucks I have better preformance and fuel economy with the 6.0 There is a posted viedo of my excursion out running a 03 mustang at www.what speedlimit.com go to forums them gallery and look for fun at piedmont. My opinion you can get good or bad from either brand.

[nova2206]

Neither has anything on a Duramax..I have owned every deisel known to man and the Duramax I have know has been hands down the BEST!!!!

[kslicks]

READ MY LIPS AS A POWERSTROKE HUNK OF CRA* OWNER,
DURA-MAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[olds48]

READ MY LIPS AS A POWERSTROKE HUNK OF CRA* OWNER,
DURA-MAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I like this guy!!! :D

[mopar1968]

:) :) Nah better go with dodge & cummins, If you want a duramax there is something you must wonder, you might get there but will you get back :shock: :shock:

[olds48]

:) :) Nah better go with dodge & cummins, If you want a duramax there is something you must wonder, you might get there but will you get back :shock: :shock:

Man,just when I was starting to like you :lol: Just kidding.Really I don't think one has much advantage over the others.I just don't like how the Ford's start.Anything that rough couldn't be good...not for long

[mopar1968]

:lol: :lol: Now let's see didn't i read a post that stated this thing is dying someone stir it up :?: :?: :twisted: :twisted: I think i did just that :!: :!:

[suicidebomb]

:lol: :lol: Now let's see didn't i read a post that stated this thing is dying someone stir it up :?: :?: :twisted: :twisted: I think i did just that :!: :!:
YEAH, I think you did read something like that, I GOT NO DOG IN THIS FIGHT!
suicidebomb

[Scotty2]

you mean the 6.7 cummins? good engine, don't want to miss lead anyone has some computer issues, up dated at dealership, is running convertor in exhaust, but no major problems.

Stay away from them new 6.7 .......fuel systems and injectors are big problems (tips and pumps)...and thats from the horses mouth (Dodge Dealers)

[TheRabbit]

FORDS SUCK. (and i use to be a die hard ford fan) i have more than 50 F250's, F350's, F450's, F550's, and even some F650's(talking about a rough ridding, weak pcs of s*^$) in my fleet and yet to get one past 50,000 miles without major problems. If we did not have a contract with ford for almost 20 years we would not buy anymore! they are so bad we bought some v10's until ford gets a diesel that will last.
I own a duramax and love it. plenty of power and it's quiet! (for a diesel)

[tcarda]

I have a 2003 Duramax and have had no issues with it except a bad battery when I bought it new. My dad has two 97 Ford F350 with manual transmissions and he has a new 2008 with the new 6.4. The two 97's both have over 200,000 miles on them and get 3 mpg better than the 2008. The 2008 has plenty of power, but only gets 9-10 mpg! Open the hood on one of those and the might be down there somewhere.....but you can't see it. :(

[olds48]

FORDS SUCK. (and i use to be a die hard ford fan) i have more than 50 F250's, F350's, F450's, F550's, and even some F650's(talking about a rough ridding, weak pcs of s*^$) in my fleet and yet to get one past 50,000 miles without major problems. If we did not have a contract with ford for almost 20 years we would not buy anymore! they are so bad we bought some v10's until ford gets a diesel that will last.
I own a duramax and love it. plenty of power and it's quiet! (for a diesel)

:D Rabbit,I think me and you could get along :D

[TheRabbit]

Let’s be honest. all trucks and cars have good and bad points. It really boils down to personal preference, but ford has some serious issues in the last 4 or 5 years with diesels. the old 7.3 was the last good motor, which was made until early 2003. It had some issues as well. Mostly injector (which will cost about 2,000 to replace) and camshaft sensor problems. NEVER REPLACE 1 INJECTOR. At least do all 4 on a side. But it’s always better to replace all 8 at the same time.
If you’re dead set on a ford do yourself a favor and give the new 6.4 (2008) some time to prove itself. In the meantime, I bought a chevy and will probably never own a ford again.
Fyi. My family owned a ford dealership for almost 40 years. I’m the ONLY person in my family drives any GM product. Yea I catch hell for it, but I’m proud to be the black sheep of the family!! (good song by saliva too!)
Dodge, i'm not sure about. NOBODY drives them around here. Must be a reason. Someone once told me never buy something that gives you directions on the tailgate. DODGE. definition: Move quickly to avoid something :!: :!: :wink: Not sure about that but... kidding but i do know they are LOUD and don't have the resale value of a Ford or Chevy.

[mopar1968]

I am a diesel tech at a dodge dealer, and believe me when i say, we haven't had any problem with injectors, or pumps, from 2003 and up cummins doesn't have a injection pump, has a high pressure pump, like i have stated before only problem we have seen with cummins is small computer updates. :) :) Dodge Doesn't have resale value :?: You might want to recheck on that one :!: Fords are so bad here they are burning them collecting, and then buying dodges.

[TheRabbit]

Dodge Doesn't have resale value :?: You might want to recheck on that one :!: Fords are so bad here they are burning them collecting, and then buying dodges.
:idea: :idea: lol. just being honest about resale value. and fords will tend to be about $400-$700 per year better than chevy depending on options. ALL diesel truck resale values are way down and will be for a while. $4.58 today :shock: :evil: :evil:
no doubt the cummins was the best thing dodge ever did!! i think it really does come down to personal preference. all are good but the cummins is just so da** loud! and i just like interior of chevy better. i'm just so sick of fords i hate to see anybody buy one until they get better diesels in 'em.

[ImBack]

:) :) Nah better go with dodge & cummins, If you want a duramax there is something you must wonder, you might get there but will you get back :shock: :shock:

Man,just when I was starting to like you :lol: Just kidding.Really I don't think one has much advantage over the others.I just don't like how the Ford's st
art.Anything that rough couldn't be good...not for long
Hmm? why did you drag one home then if you dont like how they start? Top of page RETROFITTING A POWERSTROKE

[ImBack]

If you guys wanna see who makes the best diesel,take a drive down the interstate and look.I go out of state all the time,just got home from Memphis Tn. today,on the way down and back i couldnt believe how many camper haulers i seen.There were at least 40 going south today coming from In,i seen 1 red duramax dually,6 powerstroke dually's and the rest were Dodge CUMMIN'S duallys.These guys make a living pulling trailers from IN to KY,TN,GA and FL,if there was a better engine than CUMMINS dont you think they would have bought one? WTF :mrgreen:

[olds48]

:) :) Nah better go with dodge & cummins, If you want a duramax there is something you must wonder, you might get there but will you get back :shock: :shock:

Man,just when I was starting to like you :lol: Just kidding.Really I don't think one has much advantage over the others.I just don't like how the Ford's st
art.Anything that rough couldn't be good...not for long
Hmm? why did you drag one home then if you dont like how they start? Top of page RETROFITTING A POWERSTROKE

I knew someone was gonna nail me on that one :lol: Hey,can't beat free :lol: :lol:

[TheRabbit]

Hey,can't beat free

Fords would be free to me and I would rather pay for my duramax.
I don't like having to walk home from the races at 2 in the morning!! much less leave my race truck/ trailer on the side of the road all night!!(the ford i wouldn't mind leaving lol.) all kiding aside all three are good ,but for now ford has some serious diesel problems !
can somebody help my duramax get over 40 mpg??!! $4.75gal sucks.

If you guys wanna see who makes the best diesel,take a drive down the interstate and look.
The chevy guys were already there. the dodge guys are pulling the campers so they can use them when they break down!! lol
went to the races last night. not 1 truck pulling a race trailer was a dodge. 3 classes were won by chevys, 2 pulling with duramax, other was gas 454.
1 ford won a class, pulling with a duramax, but no dodges were even racing or pulling :?: :?: :? I guess they all went camping!! :lol: (i had to do it!!!!LOL)

[mopar1968]

:) The dodge's were at the other track :lol: Really they had nothing to prove :!: Just let the powerchokes and duramax see whom were in second place :!:

[ImBack]

They are all 3 good trucks and engines i just like to keep the thread going LOL :mrgreen: