MIKE TOKARZ Covington Ga. Scammed bank for $ 18,000

[ticerracing]

MIKE TOKARZ SCAMMED MY BANK FOR $ 18,000 & CLOSED HIS ACCOUNT. THEY SENT HIM A WIRE FOR $18k TWICE. HE REFUSED TO SEND IT BACK, HE GOT $36k FOR A PILE OF JUNK CAR. HE SOLD ME A 1993 DODGE DAYTONA RACE CAR ROLLER, FOR $18k HE THEN STRIPPED THE CAR, STOLD THE SHUTES & LAUNCHERS, STOLD THE YOKE, THE SHIFTER, DRIVE SHAFT LOOP, HACKED UP WIRING, THE FRONT FIBERGLASS WAS JUNK, THE FRONT SUSPENSION IS SHOT, TIRES ARE JUNK, CHASSIS WAS 3 YEARS OUT OF CERT. & WILL NOT RECERT WITH A CRACKED FRAME. THIS GUY IS A SCUM BAG SCAMMER, HE IS SELLING SOME PARTS ON HERE. LENCO BELLHOUSING FOR MOPAR, COMPUTER, INTERCOOLER IN COVINGTON GA. HE RACES WITH A ROBERT SELLERS OUT OF GA. OR FLORIDA, THEY RUN A DODGE AVENGER I THINK TURBO CHARGER.
THUS GUY IS A REAL SCUM BAG, IT MAKES YOU NOT WANT TO DEAL ON THE INTERNET AT ALL.
YOU WHAT THIS MIKE TOKARZ IS FIXING TO FIND OUT WHO I AM, & WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND.

THANKS Tom

[bjuice]

ok..thats sounds like a nightmare......i have no doubts people are out here capable of doing what he has be acussed of doing..

But i have some questions in regards to the bank ? :?: .....

How did the bank ( by error,mistake etc...) goof up and send $18,000 twice and the money clear ? :?:



looks to me the bank is into that car more than you at this point....their routing and verification system suppose to be more sophisticated then this.

does this person have an ad#...etc ..please post a link....

i am curious to hear more of this situation..

Brian

[Tod74]

So is the Bank trying to hold YOU accountable for the lost money ? :shock: Surely not? ...right?....if so I would end up in jail cause I would throw the biggest fit ever inside that bank.

[lively]

So is the Bank trying to hold YOU accountable for the lost money ? :shock: Surely not? ...right?....if so I would end up in jail cause I would throw the biggest fit ever inside that bank.

I AGREE 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

[bjuice]

i hear FEDERAL PRISON is not a fun place to be....

IF the person accused of this act is even close to playing games with an FDIC financial institution....the FBI will soon come calling...

rest assure !

[killerpromod]

I have Raced with Robert sellers and Mike for years, I don't know what happened here but all of my dealings with them have been good. Hope you get it all worked out. Frank

[Tod74]

i hear FEDERAL PRISON is not a fun place to be....

!


His love life will definately take a turn for the worst ....that's for sure. :?

I just don't see how someone would try that..... you just know you won't get away with it. Nobody is going to just forget about 18 grand.

[ticerracing]

I have Raced with Robert sellers and Mike for years, I don't know what happened here but all of my dealings with them have been good. Hope you get it all worked out. Frank

the only way its going to get worked out is if Mike Tokarz, sends the $18K back to chase bank, & either sends me my parts to my car, or sends me a few grand. I cant believe he stold my parrachutes w/ launchers off the car & bolted up some other shutes, & didnt eveb tighten the bolts.

He wont even awnser his phones.................

[ticerracing]

ok..thats sounds like a nightmare......i have no doubts people are out here capable of doing what he has be acussed of doing..

But i have some questions in regards to the bank ? :?: .....

How did the bank ( by error,mistake etc...) goof up and send $18,000 twice and the money clear ? :?:

THE BANK SENT THE FIRST WIRE OF $18K THEN CALLED THE WIRE DEPARTMENT, & THEY SAID IT DIDNT GO THREW, SO THE CLERK SENT IT AGAIN, WELL THEY FOUND OUT THE NEXT MORNING THAT THEY BOTH WENT THREW. WHEN MIKE FOUND OUT, HE CLOSED HIS BANK OF AMERICA ACCOUNT. & PLAYED IT OFF LIKE HE DIDNT KNOW.



looks to me the bank is into that car more than you at this point....their routing and verification system suppose to be more sophisticated then this.

does this person have an ad#...etc ..please post a link....

i am curious to hear more of this situation..

Brian

[lively]

I have Raced with Robert sellers and Mike for years, I don't know what happened here but all of my dealings with them have been good. Hope you get it all worked out. Frank

the only way its going to get worked out is if Mike Tokarz, sends the $18K back to chase bank, & either sends me my parts to my car, or sends me a few grand. I cant believe he stold my parrachutes w/ launchers off the car & bolted up some other shutes, & didnt eveb tighten the bolts.

He wont even awnser his phones.................
SOMETHING IS NOT ADDING UP HERE----IF THE BANK MESSED UP THEN THE BANK IS 100% RESPONSIBLE TO FIX IT---ALL I AM HEARING IS THE WAY YOU THINK IT WILL/ SHOULD BE SETTLED---THE WHOLE TRUTH IS NOT BEING TOLD HERE !!!---WE NEED ALOT MORE OUT OF BOTH SIDES :? :? :? -------LIVELY

[motormanracer1]

Your accusations raise a lot of questions in my mind. To just cut to the chase here...something doesn't smell right! Just my opinion.

[Scorpion1110]

This thread continues to get interesting-

I would tend to agree that there are two separate issues; a bank wire purportedly sent twice, and a vehicle which may or may not have been misrepresented.

If the bank indeed wired funds twice I find it hard to believe they would hold the account of sender responsible-I do believe that there are legal methods to pursue this issue between the banks. I have never had it happen so I can not offer anything further on that.

As to the vehicle being misrepresented, there should be some kind of documentation to support or dispute, possibly an ad, pics etc. Withhout documentation then its one's word against another.

Motormanracer1, your post is particularly thorough and I see you are a recent member actually today-It makes one wonder exactly what your relationship is to this issue-but perhaps you just happened upon this thread. Set up a profile if you already have not-it will help you get acquainted with a very decent group of folks. BTW, you wouldnt be Mr. Sellers or Mr. Tokarz would you?

BTW, a word to posters on this forum, if you wish to avoid the issues associated with slander or libel, frame your commentary as an opinion (which it is initially anyway). An opinion stated as such is not slander or libel- Its a bit of insurance that will annoy the legal types.

As always, my humble opinion.

Later

[cepx111]

i hear FEDERAL PRISON is not a fun place to be....

IF the person accused of this act is even close to playing games with an FDIC financial institution....the FBI will soon come calling...

rest assure ! That's FEDERAL bang me in the AZZ prison Brian

><Cp

[cepx111]

This thread continues to get interesting-

I would tend to agree that there are two separate issues; a bank wire purportedly sent twice, and a vehicle which may or may not have been misrepresented.

If the bank indeed wired funds twice I find it hard to believe they would hold the account of sender responsible-I do believe that there are legal methods to pursue this issue between the banks. I have never had it happen so I can not offer anything further on that.

As to the vehicle being misrepresented, there should be some kind of documentation to support or dispute, possibly an ad, pics etc. Withhout documentation then its one's word against another.

Motormanracer1, your post is particularly thorough and I see you are a recent member actually today-It makes one wonder exactly what your relationship is to this issue-but perhaps you just happened upon this thread. Set up a profile if you already have not-it will help you get acquainted with a very decent group of folks. BTW, you wouldnt be Mr. Sellers or Mr. Tokarz would you?

BTW, a word to posters on this forum, if you wish to avoid the issues associated with slander or libel, frame your commentary as an opinion (which it is initially anyway). An opinion stated as such is not slander or libel- Its a bit of insurance that will annoy the legal types.

As always, my humble opinion.



I know your sharp as a tack Scorpion1110 but motormanracer1 sounds like a lawyer in training.

Oh almost forgot, JMO

><Cp

Later

[shawnp]

Ok, most of you know I work for a bank. Have worked in collections and now do underwriting. I can tell you that it is possible for a wire transfer to go thru twice. What is not possible is for it to clear an account that quick. The wire transfer works like this:
1) Your bank sends the transfer to a general wire transfer account at the recieving bank.
2) The recieving bank process the wire transfer and withdraws from the transfer account and deposits the money either to the individual account or to a branch account where it would then have the branch withdraw and deposit to the individual account.

Banks send out wire transfer in bulk, generally in the afternoon and in most cases, the afternoon of the next business day. They don't just send transfers out when you are standing at the teller window. That means the money would be processed in the evenings business of the day recieved and not available for immediate withdrawl. If the bank saw 2 of the same transfers for the amount I would think it would send up a red flag.

Oh yeah, banks have to balance out each night before they can close out. If the bank sent out $36K instead of $18K from this account, it would have immediately been caught in the evenings balancing.


Sounds to me like someone is just a little pissed that he got burned on the deal and is trying to scare this guy into being honest. If this guy sold you a junk car, you are not going to scare him. You need to pursue this legally and not verbally.

[Scorpion1110]

Cepx, you and I were thinking along the same lines. It just took me way too many words.

BTW, thanks for the compliment-Now if you could just convince my wife who seems to think I get dumber every year. Thats not an opinion, but a fact.

Indeed Shawn P, your comments are direct and dead on.

A web search shows that Mr. Tokarz and Sellers were racing this week in GA- seems as recently as Thursday.

http://www.dragracecentral.com/drcstoryprint.asp?ID=153142

TiceRacing you know where they are now, so next steps are yours.

CEPX, still my humble opinion, and still

Later

[Tod74]

Ok, most of you know I work for a bank. Have worked in collections and now do underwriting. I can tell you that it is possible for a wire transfer to go thru twice. What is not possible is for it to clear an account that quick. The wire transfer works like this:
1) Your bank sends the transfer to a general wire transfer account at the recieving bank.
2) The recieving bank process the wire transfer and withdraws from the transfer account and deposits the money either to the individual account or to a branch account where it would then have the branch withdraw and deposit to the individual account.

Banks send out wire transfer in bulk, generally in the afternoon and in most cases, the afternoon of the next business day. They don't just send transfers out when you are standing at the teller window. That means the money would be processed in the evenings business of the day recieved and not available for immediate withdrawl. If the bank saw 2 of the same transfers for the amount I would think it would send up a red flag.

Oh yeah, banks have to balance out each night before they can close out. If the bank sent out $36K instead of $18K from this account, it would have immediately been caught in the evenings balancing.


Sounds to me like someone is just a little pissed that he got burned on the deal and is trying to scare this guy into being honest. If this guy sold you a junk car, you are not going to scare him. You need to pursue this legally and not verbally.


"Knowledge is Power"

[prostocktrk]

whats the outcome????

[prostocktrk]

This is what i thought, You bad mouthed a guy and everyone jumped in like it was all true? There at least 2 sides to every story but it seems like the same guys have to respond to every thread? Apparently these claims were all bs?