very successful

[hughesis21]

i put together the standard 388- 4.060-3.750-6.0 rods
made 593 ft tq and 529 hp with 1200 dollars
this didnt include my machine work for block prep,or block and intake system running billet hei dist no spray,
running a tpi with siameized intake, cant remember the injector size but its 30 somethin, with a 58 mm tb 1200 dollars i said 1200 dollars
crank rods pistons bearings cam timing gears lifters roller rockers all summit brand or cheap brand parts, now ive only had the motor together for about 3 weeks now but when i put it in my all metal full interior malibu and it last longer than the crate motor i bought with less hp and tq im goin to go nuts :twisted:

[amal]

What is the camshaft are using for this combination

[v8Fiero]

wow, very good numbers. 8) Im interested in more details aswell, cam specs, what gen block, heads, compression, etc....

thanks :D

[fla1976]

Impressive results for so small an investment. Great combination obviously.

[hughesis21]

Part Number: LUN-60105LK
Cam Style: Hydraulic flat tappet
Basic Operating RPM Range: 2,500-6,500
Intake Duration at 050 inch Lift: 241
Exhaust Duration at 050 inch Lift: 249
Duration at 050 inch Lift: 241 int./249 exh.
Advertised Intake Duration: 284
Advertised Exhaust Duration: 292
Advertised Duration: 284 int./292 exh.
Intake Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.525 in.
Exhaust Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio: 0.546 in

1972 block- 1998 vortech heads 10.4 to 1 inverted dome heads have pocketporting couldnt find this cam as a summit brand

[cncmotorsports]

did you dyno the engine to obtain these numbers ?

[hughesis21]

grooms engines dynoed it, i have a buddy works in management over there

[cncmotorsports]

do you have the dyno sheet's ? Sounds like they inflated the numbers or did soemthing.

[hughesis21]

yes i have my own dyno sheets, this is not one of there production motors, so they have no reason to jack the numbers up, you just have to know what works with what, im not gonna buy a bunch of parts that have big names or look pretty, like most of the unexperienced motor assemblers. to tell you the truth i believe im holding some of the horsepower back because of the tpi setup. but i like the reliability of fuel injection. i believe i can run 7.00's n the malibu with a ten inch tire, beefy 700r4 4.10's and then drive it home, ahhhh fuel injection, somebody remind me to cage the car....

[hughesis21]

is the "inflation" accusation because i didnt buy the parts from your cnc-whateverucallit.com????? :idea: :idea: :idea:

[Tod74]

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[lively]

I HAVE TO AGREE ON THE STATEMENT --"YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE NAME BRAND PARTS ALL THE TIME"---I HAVE PUT TOGETHER SOME VERY NICE SMALL BLOCK FORDS WITHOUT ALL OF THE NAME BRAND PARTS AND THEY STILL HELD TOGETHER AND MADE GREAT HOSRPOWER 8) 8) ----CAREFUL SELECTION AND PRECISE ASSEMBLY CAN DO AN AWFUL LOT 8) 8) 8) ---AND BY THE WAY I BUILD IN A 2 CAR GARAGE IN MY BACK YARD[ NOT BEING MEAN TO THE PRO BUILDERS ON HERE AT ALL JUST STATING FACTS]-----NICE ###### ON YOUR SMALL BLOCK AND GOOD LUCK-----LIVELY

[Pwmax]

you mean 493 ft/lbs? I would say, if you have a sheet that says 593 tq, then, something wasn;t right in the calculations in the dyno. It just aint happenin. Unless, you had a samll NOS kit on it.

Frank
Advanced Performance
www.get-ap.com

[cncmotorsports]

I don't care where you buy the parts, i am just saying i don't believe the 593 ft pounds of torque.
Those are big numbers for $1200.00
I would love to see the dyno sheets if you can post them.

[olds48]

"Too much power for $1200".Money spent doesn't equal horsepower.I'm making 700 hp with and spent a little over 6k,with all new parts.But,that does sound like alot of tq for that comp ratio and cam profile.Don't see that kind of tq(more than the hp) come out of a pump-gas motor very often.

[slowmotion]

We have a few guys at our track that can build fast motors cheap. Usually the car runs very fast.....for a short time. These guys seem to have a very high failure rate. I'd rather be the slower car with little or no maintenance than the "let's set the world on fire and go like hell" guy that usually blows up before a season is over.

[olds48]

EXACTLY.But brand names can run the bill up quickly.For example I could have ordered my stud girdles from Jomar directly and paid over $250 for girdles+locks.Or you can get the Engine Works brand from Ron Owens(and his lovely assistants)for $170,and when they show up at your door you'll be holding a set of Jomar's AND extra money :D

[lively]

olds48----I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ----LIVELY

[Tod74]

EXACTLY.But brand names can run the bill up quickly.For example I could have ordered my stud girdles from Jomar directly and paid over $250 for girdles+locks.Or you can get the Engine Works brand from Ron Owens(and his lovely assistants)for $170,and when they show up at your door you'll be holding a set of Jomar's AND extra money :D

I wonder how much $ to have his assistants show up at my door.

[olds48]

Tell me about it!!!

[davis419b]

NO WAY !!!!!! You need to find someone with a good dyno.

[billhendren]

Torque sounds around 80 / 100 lbs high compared with the many different 388 combinations we have run on our dyno over the years,both our stuff and other engine builders we did dyno testing for.
You sure that was N.A. without N20,if so i would seriously question the dyno.If the torque numbers are off the H.P. will be as well.Bill

[Pwmax]

What rpm did it make peak Tq? And, then, what rpm did it make peak hp? Then its just simple math to figure out if its in the ball park. Which, its not. 493 would be realistic, even 525 possible, but, 593, no way, unless you used NOS.

No one is arguing that you can't make power on the cheap. My own 388 inch engine, is over 600hp and 535 ft/lbs, on a real dyno, that isn;t happy. I have about $1600 total out of pocket into it. Its a solid roller, pump gas, aluminumn heads, Scat cast steel crank, Eagle H-beams, Light weight forgred 2 vr coated skirt speed pro pisons, etc. Now, granted, I do this stuff for a living, and have at my disposal, all the equiptment, etc, to do everything myself, and, about 20 years of expierience, to make the heads and everything else work, which are just those cheap Strike force aluminumn heads, I bought them to keep my budget theme, but really wish I would have bought Platinumn Pro-1's, but, these heads flow well over 300 cfm with a 2.055 valve, at 220cc. I actualy have 3 heads, I bought one extra, and, I did a TON of work to that head, experimenting, trying valve jobs, differnt port configurations, valve sizes, etc, and, I have one port that moves 337 at .800 lift, but its 245cc, and uses off-set intake rockers.

I also was given a set of low time Comp roller lifters, crane gold race rockers, and stud girdles for some labor, I traded a valve job for the crank, I traded a buddy a set of 3/8 BBC pushrods for the rods, out of a known, low time engine, which, I got the pushrods from a customer, who said I could keep them, The block is a .060 over 350 4 bolt block, with ARP main fasteners, line honed, BHJ sq deck, block filled, and Was already at .060 when I got it, so I filled it, and re-tq plate honed it, which worked perfect for the small amount of extra clearance the block fill requires. Technicaly, I have more into it than that, because I bought the Power Bond SFI dampner like 6 years ago, and its been on the shelf since, as with the Team-G single plane, that, I have about 12-14 hours of porting time into, and, it is killer. It actualy flows better and makes more power than a victor jr, and Hurricane intake, as I did back to back tests. So, technicaly, you have to add the cost of those parts, but, since I have been sitting on them for years, I didn;t count that.

All in all, its brutal for what it is, and should stay together. This engine will be run for a few seasons, while I update the car slowly, and, build my big block, or Ls-1 style, 427 all aluminumn engine, not sure which yet. But, $1600 out of pocket, is pretty good for over 600hp.

Frank
Advanced Performance
www.get-ap.com