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et7333
02-07-2008, 02:31 PM
Who has the best price on Callies compstar 3.750 4340 sbc crank?
billhendren
02-07-2008, 03:49 PM
Callie's controls the price we sell the comp star stuff for.if you invoice it under racers net and they see it you will no longer be a W.D with Callie's.
That crank you asked about is $593.00 Bill
et7333
02-07-2008, 04:43 PM
Thanks Bill
OneBadGMC
02-08-2008, 07:41 AM
That's a violation of the Sherman Anti-Trust laws. It's called 'price fixing'.
Callies, by Federal Law, can only control the advertised price. They can not control what an individual business sells at.
jmarksdragster
02-08-2008, 10:43 AM
Another way stores get away with pricing under is to offer rebates or free items with it.
billhendren
02-08-2008, 11:35 AM
That's a violation of the Sherman Anti-Trust laws. It's called 'price fixing'.
Callies, by Federal Law, can only control the advertised price. They can not control what an individual business sells at.
A large amount of manufactures do this today,Dart,Brodix,Msd just to name a few. this only affects those of us who are warehouse distributors for there products. we cant advertise a product under Jobber and we cant sell under jobber unless its to another engine builder.Callie's insists on Racers Net for Compstar and jobber for the remainder of there line. we could sell for less but they cant be made to sell to us at W.D level,thats there option,if we don't play by the rules they will change our price level to jobber.Bill
edvancedengines
02-08-2008, 01:27 PM
A large amount of manufactures do this today,Dart,Brodix,Msd just to name a few. this only affects those of us who are warehouse distributors for there products. we cant advertise a product under Jobber and we cant sell under jobber unless its to another engine builder
Yep,
That is the way it is on most of the Hard Core Racing Products. I only WD the Hard Core and not the consumer products. There are exceptions though. Jegs, Sumit, Comp Products, Herbert can all advertise at Jobber and no one will slap their hands for it.
Ed
OneBadGMC
02-08-2008, 01:31 PM
That's a violation of the Sherman Anti-Trust laws. It's called 'price fixing'.
Callies, by Federal Law, can only control the advertised price. They can not control what an individual business sells at.
A large amount of manufactures do this today,Dart,Brodix,Msd just to name a few. this only affects those of us who are warehouse distributors for there products. we cant advertise a product under Jobber and we cant sell under jobber unless its to another engine builder.Callie's insists on Racers Net for Compstar and jobber for the remainder of there line. we could sell for less but they cant be made to sell to us at W.D level,thats there option,if we don't play by the rules they will change our price level to jobber.Bill
Well, again, thats a violation of Federal Anti-Trust laws. If the WD guys would ban together, you could push the issue in federal court. Legally, they can only control advertised pricing, not actual sale price.
How would they even know in the first place? Do you really think a customer is going to bite the hand that feeds them the good deal?
sds10racer
02-08-2008, 08:01 PM
like most of us, they'd prob tell everyone about the good deal they got.
OneBadGMC
02-08-2008, 09:37 PM
I guess that's why I get better deals than most.
I know when to keep my mouth shut about actual pricing.
If someone asks how much I paid... My reply is simply "I got hooked up. See him and he'll take care of you."
Why fuck up a good thing, ya know?
billhendren
02-09-2008, 06:41 AM
They get around the law because its there option to sell at W.D. most of the companies require a large buy in and a minimum yearly purchase. Dart for example is $50,000.00 per year in purchases to maintain W.D. Brodix is now $25,000.00 to maintain Master W.D.
I have been a Dart W.D. since 1979 so It would be a foolish for me to risk being moved to the jobber level just to make a few more sales.
We do sell all our product lines at Jobber which is a good distance below mail order with the exception of Compstar.What you think is a hooked up deal is probably jobber or if mail order more than that
Next time you need a high dollar part give us,Ed or any one of the other builders who are W.D. a call and compare prices,you may be surprised.Bill
They get around the law because its there option to sell at W.D. most of the companies require a large buy in and a minimum yearly purchase. Dart for example is $50,000.00 per year in purchases to maintain W.D. Brodix is now $25,000.00 to maintain Master W.D.
I have been a Dart W.D. since 1979 so It would be a foolish for me to risk being moved to the jobber level just to make a few more sales.
We do sell all our product lines at Jobber which is a good distance below mail order with the exception of Compstar.What you think is a hooked up deal is probably jobber or if mail order more than that
Next time you need a high dollar part give us,Ed or any one of the other builders who are W.D. a call and compare prices,you may be surprised.Bill
Bill where you have been WD since 1979 you are not required to do 50,000.00 a year with Dart is that correct as you are grand fathered
billhendren
02-09-2008, 08:45 AM
I would like to think so because I was one of there first but with all the belt tightening not so.This $50,000.00 thing came about two years ago,got a letter from them telling me to maintain $50,000.00 or I would be changed to jobber at the end of the year. at the same time they cut out all the accounts that only bought one or two blocks a year and notified the mail order houses they couldn't sell below jobber.as far as I can tell they all complied,the ones I have checked are usually J + 100.00/150.00 Bill
cncmotorsports
02-10-2008, 07:42 AM
Who has the best price on Callies compstar 3.750 4340 sbc crank?
Buy the Eagle crank, compstar are 3 to 4 pounds heavier than a standard weight eagle crankshaft
www.cnc-motorsports.com
et7333
02-10-2008, 01:50 PM
Buy the Eagle crank, compstar are 3 to 4 pounds heavier than a standard weight eagle crankshaft
www.cnc-motorsports.com[/quote][/quote] Thanks, but I will not use Eagle products in any of my engines!
cncmotorsports
02-10-2008, 04:41 PM
Buy the Eagle crank, compstar are 3 to 4 pounds heavier than a standard weight eagle crankshaft
www.cnc-motorsports.com[/quote] Thanks, but I will not use Eagle products in any of my engines![/quote]
Eagle is one of the best cranks on the market right now for the money.
We hear of engine faliurs due to a ton of so called engine builders you think they know what they are doing but don't.
We have been doing testing in our shop with local racers for the pas 2 years with different engine combos. We have had a 100% sucess rate.
et7333
02-13-2008, 04:11 PM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion,AS I SAID BEFORE I will NEVER USE eagle in anything!
bubbabbc
02-13-2008, 04:21 PM
I'm with you, et. We 've seen new Eagle forged cranks with the sizes bad enough they had to be re-ground to 010/010. And the SBC I-beam rods with the distorted parting line problem (which has been on going for over two years) is a very well-known issue. Compstar is the best of the imports, Scat is good, and Eagle is JUNK.
et7333
02-13-2008, 05:19 PM
I'm with you, et. We 've seen new Eagle forged cranks with the sizes bad enough they had to be re-ground to 010/010. And the SBC I-beam rods with the distorted parting line problem (which has been on going for over two years) is a very well-known issue. Compstar is the best of the imports, Scat is good, and Eagle is JUNK. I totally agree!
Buy the Eagle crank, compstar are 3 to 4 pounds heavier than a standard weight eagle crankshaft
www.cnc-motorsports.com Thanks, but I will not use Eagle products in any of my engines![/quote]
Eagle is one of the best cranks on the market right now for the money.
We hear of engine faliurs due to a ton of so called engine builders you think they know what they are doing but don't.
We have been doing testing in our shop with local racers for the pas 2 years with different engine combos. We have had a 100% sucess rate.[/quote]
You must be going with price and not quality as we have seen to much taper in the journals and there sizing is not consistant from journal to journal.
And you should put an Eagle crank in a set of V-blocks and check it for straightness or journal run out and then check an Compstar crank as there is no comparison.
But am sure your on the deep deal on the Eagle cranks and your going buy the cost not quality.
Comstars nitride is a deep nitride compared to the production flash nitride that Eagle uses.
bubbabbc
02-13-2008, 05:36 PM
Most of the guys that peddle these mediocre (at best) Chinese forgings over quality parts, do so because they are trying to sell based solely on price. Their targets are the "how much" customers. They are used car salesmen with micrometers. They dont, for the most part, sell Callies, Carillo, Crane, AFR, CP, Arias, Diamond, Oliver or any other top end company that will not allow a huckster to online sell to an end user for 5% over cost. Then, when problems arise, they don't want to address the problem. It's sad when someone trades integrity for a dollar.
cncmotorsports
02-13-2008, 07:22 PM
Everybody has there opinion, We are a well know shop and build a lot of high price engines that make a lot of power, we use Eagle.
We also sell on the average of 100 or more cranks a month; eagle cranks are not as bad as you all think they are, They have made big improvements in the last 7 years that I know off.
I would put an eagle crank up against any other out there on the market.
Plus with their new Armor finish with a 1-year warranty, how can you go wrong.
bubbabbc
02-13-2008, 07:55 PM
McDonalds sells the most hamburgers in town, but that doesn't make them tasty and satisfying, just cheap. Eagle and your other line, CAT, are the McDonalds of the crankshaft companies.
Everybody has there opinion, We are a well know shop and build a lot of high price engines that make a lot of power, we use Eagle.
We also sell on the average of 100 or more cranks a month; eagle cranks are not as bad as you all think they are, They have made big improvements in the last 7 years that I know off.
I would put an eagle crank up against any other out there on the market.
Plus with their new Armor finish with a 1-year warranty, how can you go wrong.
We build alot of high end engines and we use http://kingscrankshaft.com/ as they are state of the art peices as they use CERTIFIED 4340 material where as Eagle uses NON CERTIFIED material. Call Rick at King's Crank 704-483-1005 and tell him you will your Eagle up against his cranks as he can tell you some preety good horror stories about them.
We had a customer bring a 3.480 crank in 3 years ago and we checke the stroke it was only 3.474 as we cut the deck of the block to match the stroke and it worked out fine.
And I have heard of guys cutting new Eagle cranks to get the size and phasing and stroke correct.
We have seen better results with the Scat cranks then the Eagle.
Your lucky as you must get all the good ones LOL.
cncmotorsports
02-14-2008, 05:29 AM
Not going argue on this one, as it will only get the crowd riled up.
There are things I know about the eagle cranks that I can't repeat, as one of the sales men over there and I are really good friends, to where I get all my inside information.
Everybody has there opinions, and every body has there own results.
Yes eagle did have a problem with there sizing 2-3 years ago, the changed crankshaft factories. Cat is now buying the forgings that are coming out of the old eagle factory, and good luck getting one as cat never has them in stock.
Like I said, not going to argue as there is always a critic in the crowd.
Use what ever you feel comfortable with.
bubbabbc
02-14-2008, 09:38 AM
cncmotorsports: one question to a dealer of eagle cranks.
Does the same Eagle representative handle the warranty issues on the cranks and the rods? I personally have dealt with no less than seven separate occurances involving manufacturing and design flaws in regards to distorted bores at the parting lines. Each time Eagle claimed this is "rare and no one else has complained". That is total BS and takes away what little credability Eagle had with engine builders. Perhaps Eagle cranks mate up very good with a big Mac and fries. Save the Eagle crank sales pitch for the "how much" guys who don't know any better. When you attempt to fling the Eagle Quality with the guys on here, you also will lose credability
cncmotorsports: one question to a dealer of eagle cranks.
Does the same Eagle representative handle the warranty issues on the cranks and the rods? I personally have dealt with no less than seven separate occurances involving manufacturing and design flaws in regards to distorted bores at the parting lines. Each time Eagle claimed this is "rare and no one else has complained". That is total BS and takes away what little credability Eagle had with engine builders. Perhaps Eagle cranks mate up very good with a big Mac and fries. Save the Eagle crank sales pitch for the "how much" guys who don't know any better. When you attempt to fling the Eagle Quality with the guys on here, you also will lose credability
You must be talking about the quality Eagle Sir Rods, If a customer brings them in we just tell the to send them back and we use a set of the Scat Procomp rods with the 7/16 bolts and no issues with the Scats like we see the with Eagle rods.
bubbabbc
02-14-2008, 12:29 PM
Exactly the rods I was referring to. Everyone knows the problem. When you talk to the Eagle clan, they tell you it's an isolated incident and no one else has had a problem. The quality of the crank, however, is more wide spread. I've had their top of the line forged cranks reworked before they could be used. One had .004" R/O on the center main. The customer drags the junk in the door, so he's the one footing the bill. Now you've got a 010/010 crank of questionable quality for a higher price than a Callies. Was it less expensive? Only the initial purchase, and I guess Eagle's warranty is free, at least to Eagle and their dealer. You can polish a turd all you want, but when you get done it's still a piece of shit.
The only time I would use an Eagle crank over another aftermarket is if the other choice was CAT, which, incidentally, is made by the same company as Eagle.
us7race
02-14-2008, 05:13 PM
There are always better parts for more money no doubt. My personal opinion is that the Eagle parts are a decent quality part, with this I am not saying that callies is junk because they are a superior part.
Here is a link to Shafiroff Racing engines...
http://www.shafiroff.com/sportsman/434_825.asp
I think they are a good company that stands behind the parts they put in their motors and as you can see it is an Eagle Crankshaft in this motor..
The "SIR" Rods I can say I had success there too..379ci up to 225hp of Nitrous on a 500HP motor and up tp 7000RPM without any issue's.
As far as which part to use, my opinion is it depends on how much power you are going to make and if you are running N/A or not.
Like cnc-motorsports said I am not here to offend anyone just share an opinion. :)