we are converted to alcohol !

[bjuice]

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb117/brianmcswain/100_0265.jpg

i am offcially on alcohol with the 67 camaro..i had the 454-r intake extensively ported,gasket matched,plenty of plentum work..etc...

got everyting hooked up today,,i drained the gas 112, put in my alcohol and ran thru lines (flushed system)..got fuel pump running adjusted fuel pressure to 7 lbs..checked for leaks...opps had one leak the front bowl of the carb was leaking..could not tighten up enough to stop it..took off front bowl and just inspected everything...put back on and "No leaks".....just got to add some water, replace the oil and i can fire her up...suppose to have a good warm week so next weekend could be my 1st alcohol pass..

ohh yes this is my new APD 1150 custom made alky carb !

(wife sneaked in a took the pic)


hey you alcohol guys listen and tell me something here..i had a 55 gallon drum of alcohol in my shop from when i sold fuel last year..i could not remember if i added the top lube to the drum sitting there..something told me i did becuase i smelled a faint smell of cherry or did i ??...so i put another bottle of m2 top lube cherry scent in the drum...but damn it smells so strong like cherry its un-real...

if i accidentally put two bottles in by accident..what could it hurt outside the guming effect ?..or do i just need to buy another drum of fuel (alcohol) and mix this drum in with it....but what if i only put one bottle in the 1st time..
i can't remember...need a little advise here since alcohol is all new to me.


thanks brian

[woodsman]

Brian that looks good and sounds good but do not drink any of your fuel. Well I cant wait to see what it runs now and I cant remember what I said it would run I will have to go back and find out. Well good luck on the new set up.

[bowtie4542001]

Brian,
That thing is looking SWEET, good luck next week end and keep us informed. I did trade the Nova for the Vega. Hope all goes well with it. I will have to get some pics your way. I am going to wait and put the engine in toward the beginning of the next season. I am going to rewire everything. Anyway, back to you and that Camaro, I see you running some 5.6's :D :D

Chris

[davis419b]

Brian. I would be more concerned about 1 year old alcohol than i would top lube. The extra top lube wont hurt it, as far as the guming affect it will happen with one bottle too if you let the fuel set in the bowls a long time without firing the engine and letting it run awhile. The concern with the alcohol is if it sits around a long time it will condensate moisture into the fuel. I bought a drum of fuel from my guy one time that he had stored in a warehouse on a concrete floor over the winter. I changed every ignition part on the car tying to get rid of that high RPM pop and it turned out to be bad fuel. Dont buy a barrel this late in the year just buy fuel at the track and add oil per specs. ( about 1oz. per 5 gallons ) Don

[zipper06]

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb117/brianmcswain/100_0265.jpg

i am offcially on alcohol with the 67 camaro..i had the 454-r intake extensively ported,gasket matched,plenty of plentum work..etc...

got everyting hooked up today,,i drained the gas 112, put in my alcohol and ran thru lines (flushed system)..got fuel pump running adjusted fuel pressure to 7 lbs..checked for leaks...opps had one leak the front bowl of the carb was leaking..could not tighten up enough to stop it..took off front bowl and just inspected everything...put back on and "No leaks".....just got to add some water, replace the oil and i can fire her up...suppose to have a good warm week so next weekend could be my 1st alcohol pass..

ohh yes this is my new APD 1150 custom made alky carb !

(wife sneaked in a took the pic)


hey you alcohol guys listen and tell me something here..i had a 55 gallon drum of alcohol in my shop from when i sold fuel last year..i could not remember if i added the top lube to the drum sitting there..something told me i did becuase i smelled a faint smell of cherry or did i ??...so i put another bottle of m2 top lube cherry scent in the drum...but damn it smells so strong like cherry its un-real...

if i accidentally put two bottles in by accident..what could it hurt outside the guming effect ?..or do i just need to buy another drum of fuel (alcohol) and mix this drum in with it....but what if i only put one bottle in the 1st time..
i can't remember...need a little advise here since alcohol is all new to me.


thanks brian

BJ, i wouldn't worry about it if you had 2 bottles of top-oil in the drum, we hardly ever use any at all. If it does bother you just turn the pump off and run the engine until the fuel is empty in the carb and drain the back bowl. Hey what's with the Cheery effect, i use watermelon over here Hehe.
I do think you need to raise the fuel pressure up to 9lbs. though just to help keep up the volume.
I know that everyone does things differently, buts here's my routine after a racing week end. (not as easy with a carb),i shut off the pump and run the engine and injection dry, i have a quick disconnect before the pump, i pull it off and and poor in mineral spirits while turning over the engine until the mineral spirits come out of the injection system. That way the pump,valve body and nozzles are protected from green slime corosion which alcohol builds in the parts when setting. If i don't do this i'm cleaning th nozzles, before the car will make a decent pass, plus it cuts down on the cylinder rust from the alcohol water content. Same thing with the blower motor.

You may have to put turn-outs on your collectors, my car would make you blind from fumes during a pass with inside the frame headers before i put them on.

UH, what's C12? i haven't smelled any gas in the last 8 yrs.

you gonna luv alcohol and the response, not to mention the price difference in gas.

I say .015/.020 quicker maybe better on alcohol.

JMO

Zip.

[shawnp]

I would not want to gum up the new fuel system and I for one do not like to run alky that has sat that long.

[thetanman101]

Brian. I would be more concerned about 1 year old alcohol than i would top lube. The concern with the alcohol is if it sits around a long time it will condensate moisture into the fuel. Don

Quick question, but how much condensation could the Alky pull from the air space in a full, sealed drum? Not trying to second guess you, just want to make sense of this as I have some fuel that's been sitting almost a year.
-Tanner

[zipper06]

Brian. I would be more concerned about 1 year old alcohol than i would top lube. The concern with the alcohol is if it sits around a long time it will condensate moisture into the fuel. Don

Quick question, but how much condensation could the Alky pull from the air space in a full, sealed drum? Not trying to second guess you, just want to make sense of this as I have some fuel that's been sitting almost a year.
-Tanner

Good question so do i.

Zip.

[bjuice]

everyone has their own ideas and i DO NOT try to make any beans about it ..as always i appreciate opinions from everyone..

i would like to say i have been a VP fuel dealer as well as Suncoco...and don't bet your life your buying fresh fuel from the track when you go..

also Tanner i have heard the old fuel thing for years..and as i said before NO man is wrong in his way of handling his fuel business..

with that said i have run 112 supreme this year that was one year old and set a new ET record in my 67 camaro..

2nd all my fuels are sealed tigthly and draw no mositure from the air..also all VP containers have a built in Vinyl Liner..put there for a reason..

i have a drum of c-16 that has been sealed for 11 months and i will run this fuel also..


this is just my opinion on the fuel side of it...not Questioning ANYONE on their beliefs...

thanks to eveyone for all their opinions..,

ps...ZIP the top lube i use is the VP-M2..its got an additive that washes down your valve train, cylinder walls and aluminum parts so that it doesn't face the corrosion and other things that go along with alcohol....its great stuff....but damn if i'm not sick of that cherry smell already..and i think your right on the turnouts...


Brian

[gdmii]

You're right about the cherry. After a weekend with that stuff I was ready for something else. Tried tangerine and it was sickening. Finally settled on grape. It smeels good and I don't get tired of it.

As far as the fuel thingy goes...if you've taken care to keep it sealed, and it sounds like you have, then run it. If it pops bangs and sputters then you might look at fresh stuff but I have used a drum in the spring that I bought the previous spring and had no problems. As far as the lube, don't sweat it. You might see just a hint of smoke if it's lubed heavy but it's no big deal unless you're running scads of timing but where you're at you'll be fine.

And just in case you forgot...5.75!!

George

[davis419b]

I do not buy fuel from the track but i would buy 5 gals. before i would use fuel that i had sitting around for a year. I have bought drums of Sonoco with the plastic liner with rust in the bottom of the drum. I have run alcohol all of my 15 years of racing and if i have any left from the end of the season i pour it out and buy new fuel at the beginning of the new season. I have never ran race gas but i dont think it will pull moisture the way alcohol will. Have you ever laid your hand on someones intake who runs alcohol while the engine is running, it will be very cold, on a cold night it will be wet with moisture. If the barrel has not been sitting on a conrete floor you may be ok. This is just my opinion and the way i am with my fuel. It is abuot the cheapest item you buy for racing.

[Racefab57]

Hey,I know of people putting nitrogen in the space above the fuel in the drum!!! Also,I think you can use argon gas. I dont see why it wouldnt work! Good luck bj next week!!! I still want to go to that outlaw track with you some time too!!!!!!!!!!!! David.

[thetanman101]

Hey,I know of people putting nitrogen in the space above the fuel in the drum!!! Also,I think you can use argon gas. I dont see why it wouldnt work! Good luck bj next week!!! I still want to go to that outlaw track with you some time too!!!!!!!!!!!! David.

This would work. Out at the plant we blow nitrogen through hoses to dry them before unloading chemicles that will react with moisture. But not everyone keeps a supply at the house. (Oh, yeah, gotta get me a welder. Note to self for Christmas!) :wink: :arrow:

[Gdaddy]

Brian..dont buy into all the "fresh" alky hype..as long as it sits inside and the SUN cant get to it..the condensation will be minimal...mine sits inside my shop all winter and is just fine..we test before running...no issues yet..Good Luck...i think you will really like the APD

[hammertime]

I leave my alky set all winter and use it in the spring and see no difference in ET or EGT when I start using fresh. This past year I left 40 gallons in the cans in my trailer outside in the mich weather and another 20 in the heated garage.

Carb looks good !! and I am sure will work great !!!

[bjuice]

And just in case you forgot...5.75!!

George[/quote]


lets keep the fingers crossed..suppose to be in low 70's..high 60's next weekend..perfect weather for it..
:wink: :wink:
Brian

[spib]

man brian sure looks GOOD!!!!! :)

[Tod74]

is there a reason for painting the intake black? Besides the way it looks? Just curious. I remember the first motor I built when I was 18 years old,I painted the whole thing black (including a brand new alum intake) my father just shook his head in disbelief. hahaha :P

[bjuice]

Todd..i been doing all my intakes this way as long as i can remember...except my sheet metal EPD intake on my 632ci..


i just like the looks...lol 8)

plus after a while any plain aluminum intake gets dingy and looks like crap after a short while...with it being black it always looks this shiny and new..if it dulls i just re-shoot (touch up) less than 5 minutes..
i am into the looks thing as well..if it doesn't look good i will not fool with it. another personal preference. i guess.lol

i use the 500 degree ceramic header paint by the way.

Brian

[lotsof454sss]

Engine and all is looking good there Brian...Hope you get the 5.60's this weekend..Looking forward to you posting or you have my number so call from the track and I will post it then..Good Luck

[Racefab57]

BJ try powercoating I did mine and it always looks good!!! it didnt hurt anything, and looks ti$S ....David.

[ToddHall]

Just my 2 cents on the topic of alcohol, but where I buy my methanol, they sell top lube and fuel fragrance, but I've never bought top lube that had a smell to it. I hope that I'm wrong here, but I don't think you have ANY top lube in your alcohol, only two bottles of cherry fragrance. If I'm wrong then fine, but I would check your bottles and be sure what you've added to your methanol.

[hammertime]

Just my 2 cents on the topic of alcohol, but where I buy my methanol, they sell top lube and fuel fragrance, but I've never bought top lube that had a smell to it. I hope that I'm wrong here, but I don't think you have ANY top lube in your alcohol, only two bottles of cherry fragrance. If I'm wrong then fine, but I would check your bottles and be sure what you've added to your methanol.

Some with the fragrance also have top lube in them.

I'll throw my 2 cents in about top lube, I used to run it back 4-5 years ago with my 750 rupert carb then switched to injection and Monroe told me not to run it because it'd gum up the nozzels. I had some already pre-mixed to get rid of so I tried it and sure enough it kept plugging nozzels up. I've never ran it sense in my carbs or injection and I have not seen one difference with it and without it. JMO

[bjuice]

Here is a copy and paste from VP web site on the top lube i use....
i was also a VP fuel dealer in 05 and 06..sold many exotic fuels including alcohol but never ran it myself..the M2 i think got its name because the based menthanol name was called Methanol M1...So iguess M2 tube lube was a suiting fit NAME.....they now have M1,M3 and M5 Methanol...The M5 suppose to contain less methanol and more of the other chemicals.....
anyhow i will try to post VP fuels thread..

but here is a copy and paste excerpt of their M2 tube lube...i got the candy smell of course.
http://www.vpracingfuels.com/index2.html

ENGINE LUBRICANTS


M2™ Upper Lube and M2™ Upper Lube with Candy Scent:
Leaves a thin film of lubrication to protect against corrosion between races. Protects valves, guides, cylinder walls, fuel pumps, and aluminum fuel systems for methanol powered engines. Extends pump life.

[bjuice]

i would also like to add one thing..i have heard the GOOD,BAD,UGLY of Alcohol from many sources....
i am the type of person to listen to everyon's opinion and then throw out what i do not want to use and keep what makes sense to me...thats why i like to hear all opinions..your never too old to learn..
one thing i try to do is go to someone that has experience with alcohol and has good results from it...there are 2 people i have personally spoken with that fit this bill..G.M. and K.R. Dont worry if you been around long enough you can figure out the initials fairly easy......these 2 old geezers (with respect) have been doing this Alcohol game a long time with engine set ups not so different than mine...so with my own opinions and hours of research and weighing out options along with their opinions and fact. i made the decision to make the switch to alcohol....i give credit to these type forums so i can gather this kind of info that will help me make a better informed decision of things i have little knowledge of..i hope everyone takes advantage of this type of communication these forums offer...SO...we shall see how it turns out....

if you want Blower info..no better man than JA-
if you want Nos advise no beTter person than T.M
Head advise CB
Chassis set up and build. E/MC
Fourlink set up,round track,etc...no other than --Bubster...don't know the intitials. of real name..lol.. :D :D
General motor Questions- EW...also an accomlished inventor in out sport

My point by doing the initial thing means hang out more and you learn who is the board name behind the real name initials...which in turn means you might learn something from them or maybe not...info is power.......

my 2 cents on learning curve..it doesn't have to be too painful ! :D


Brian