just ordered new APD CARB

[bjuice]

After 2 weeks of some serious thinking and BRAIN PICKING..i have decided to go with a brand NEW APD alcohol carb with external linkage.

i called and spoke with John at APD this morning before and after i placed the order and he was very helpful and gave me much insight to their carbs.

i gave him my engine set up and he is building me a custom 1150 Alcohol carb that is cut down for the smaller ci motors...i tried to corner him up on how much he thinks it would help me but he didn't want to go there ( sign of honest salesman/techman)...he did say that the heavier the car and smaller the motor they see more benefit from their alcohol carbs....( i did get a number out of him but i will keep that secret until i hear some other opinions)
so i will get this carb middle part of next week....

for the record i did look at used carbs in the classifieds..most stuff was coming in around $800.00 plus shipping and didn't have the features i wanted such as external linkage etc....so rather than spend $800.00 on something i am not 100% sold on i decided to spend the extra $450.00 and get what i wanted and what i know will work...

the 454 "r" intake will be in tommorrow...after some port matching..i am placing this on with the new alcohol carb and swaping to alcohol..its still in high 70's low 80's down here in the South so the alcohol should be good..plus i still got my 1050 braswell gas dominater..i can flip flop back and forth if need be....


ok...i had ran 5.99 @114 with a 1.32 60ft on my old set up...1050 gas dominater with a team "g' intake..

ANYONE CARE TO GUESS HOW MUCH I WILL PICK UP ?


Thanks
Brian

[woodsman]

I am going with 5.89 that is .06 less then I think. So maybe I will be right this time.

[chevguy65]

5.85
Based on woodsman's reply...I will take off a bit from that.


What do we win if we are right? :P

[gdmii]

Since you're leaving the line at 4000 rpms I will revise my earlier numbers and say a 5.75 @ 119 with a 1.30 60'. Optimistic eh? Well, it'll give you something to shoot for!

George

[fastbowtie]

Brian I think your on the rite path . Once its tuned & dialed in hopefully it should run between a 5.76 & 5.79 If ya throw caution to the wind & drive it like you stole it you will get that Camaro into the bottom 5.70s someday Soon.
Good Luck :wink:
Donn

[bjuice]

5.85
Based on woodsman's reply...I will take off a bit from that.


What do we win if we are right? :P

another one of my thank u speech Video's...PRICELESS !

[qtrmile2]

I'll give you something to shoot for.
5.68 @118.
Leave at 4500 rpm. :)
That's my opinion Brian.

[hammertime]

Brian you alread know what I think about the APD carbs :D

[bjuice]

I'll give you something to shoot for.
5.68 @118.
Leave at 4500 rpm. :)
That's my opinion Brian.


wow i hope its between what you and george are calling..

John at APD said he feels 2/10th is conservative..different set ups respond differently....if i can touch the 5.80's on motor in this car i will be tickled...i hit the 5.60's and i will have to take a heart pill...LOL 8)

WE SHALL SEE !...BETS ARE LOCKED IN

[rabiddawg]

what your not using boggy grant carbs?
good choice its nice to see someone else isnt hooked on the barry grant hype.

[zipper06]

I'll give you something to shoot for.
5.68 @118.
Leave at 4500 rpm. :)
That's my opinion Brian.


wow i hope its between what you and george are calling..

John at APD said he feels 2/10th is conservative..different set ups respond differently....if i can touch the 5.80's on motor in this car i will be tickled...i hit the 5.60's and i will have to take a heart pill...LOL 8)

WE SHALL SEE !...BETS ARE LOCKED IN

You probably don't need my opinion on this change because i'm an injection person and know absolutely nothing about running alcohol carbs, BUt, switching from gas to alcohol to a bowl, i've seen up to 2 1/2 tenths, and Stacks injection up to 3 1/2 tenths. As most know i'm a stacks injection person, because they are easier to tune than tripping over a log and more consistent than most alcohol carbs.
I suppose the switch to the carb will be somewhere in-between that range when it's perfectly tuned. I would have sold you a set of 2 7/16" Hilborns for a $1,000.00 with pump and front cover, but that's water over the damn.
But i do think you can run in the 5.70's with everything right.

JMO

Zip.

[hammertime]

I'll give you something to shoot for.
5.68 @118.
Leave at 4500 rpm. :)
That's my opinion Brian.


wow i hope its between what you and george are calling..

John at APD said he feels 2/10th is conservative..different set ups respond differently....if i can touch the 5.80's on motor in this car i will be tickled...i hit the 5.60's and i will have to take a heart pill...LOL 8)

WE SHALL SEE !...BETS ARE LOCKED IN

You probably don't need my opinion on this change because i'm an injection person and know absolutely nothing about running alcohol carbs, BUt, switching from gas to alcohol to a bowl, i've seen up to 2 1/2 tenths, and Stacks injection up to 3 1/2 tenths. As most know i'm a stacks injection person, because they are easier to tune than tripping over a log and more consistent than most alcohol carbs.
I suppose the switch to the carb will be somewhere in-between that range when it's perfectly tuned. I would have sold you a set of 2 7/16" Hilborns for a $1,000.00 with pump and front cover, but that's water over the damn.
But i do think you can run in the 5.70's with everything right.

JMO

Zip.

Carb is so much less work.. put fuel in it and go a lot less hassel then injection and yes I've ran both. A good alky carb will not be as fast as injection but will be a copy machine.

[bjuice]

what your not using boggy grant carbs?
good choice its nice to see someone else isnt hooked on the barry grant hype.

what !!..don't get me started in BOGGY GRANT..been there done that...will not do it again...lol....when they stop producing the gold and sliver claw carb it went staright down hill,,,
thanks for the input. ...lol

[gimmemud]

Zip you have a pm.

[buffjhsn1]

if i was gonna go to alky, i would use apd as well. i know they are big time here and have never heard anything bad about them. good choice!

[gdmii]

Hey Brian,

Did you run this past weekend?

George

[us7race]

I am with George on this I say low 5.70's.. :)

[bjuice]

had to sit OUt this last weekend..carb just came in today 10/25/07 and my new 454 r intake is still at the port shop...so hopefully this weekend or no later then next...i am excited about....my port guy " bobby mcalister from Clements racing" ..showed me the main differene out of the box between the 454-r and my team 'g'...most of the problem is with the 1st 2 ports #1 and #2...he explains to me how he will shorten up this runner along with some other base work..no to mention opening the runner ports large enough to accomadate my already worked brodix head....AL-LOT of cutting and shaving going on about right now....i made the comment in front of him "I HOPE I AM NOT WASTING MY MONEY HERE"...He replied rest assure it will be well spent... :D ...that made me feel good....

also i made me a good set of wheelie bars...just gotta weld on the tabs and i am ready..not that i have needed them so far but hey you only need them when you need them right ?...leaving at 4,000,4,500 on a good track you never know..so i am just playing safe.
the carb looks great by the way..

now its time to get back on the vette...anyone want to donate $3500 for a glide from tran speailties ?.....will put ya name on on the winder 8)

BriaN

[elkymann]

Hey Brian,

Glad I'm not the only one busting knuckles towards the end of the year! :) I may have missed the et vote, but my late entry would say, if your weather is good, you hook and just be happy on this pass, you should run...................5.75, now go do it ok :D

Elky
John

[RonOwensRacing]

Well I'm a injection guy also i have ran the enderle set for about 4 years and i love them very easy to tune i think it was for me but from gas to alky i picked up a little over 3 but most will be around 2 i just never had any luck with alky carbs and boy did i try a few but i know a lot of guy's have great luck with them anyway B I'm thinking around a 5.72 just have fun what ever she runs it will be a blast. good luck Ron

[SST4530]

Hey Brian, I sent a message to those guy's at APD, wanting to buy a new alky carb last week and haven't heard anything from them. Guess they don't like us Texas boy's. :lol:

[elkymann]

Hey Juice,

I forgot to mention that, well, to really get good data on what works and what doesn't, you should do one change at a time, and by changing the intake, and converting to alcohol, you will have lost you knowledge of what did what and how much, but then again, I understand the excitment when your brain gets going and new parts arrive, been there :D
I am not saying yeah, or nea to the Team G, but my Team G put me into the 10's with of course some work from my cyl. head guy and he really made it work. They need to be reworked in certain areas to really come alive and many use them . I myself depend on Edelbrock as Vic spent many hours designing these intakes and I now use the Edel. Super Victor for tall decks and man let me tell ya, my 505 just never stops pullin even at 8000 rpm's, but then again, I have an awesome package of an engine this time around. Good move on your part to get the R manifold, it should drop you down a bit in et and maybe even change your power curve a little also. :) Please let us know how things turn out, and of course, good luck :D

Elkyman

[hammertime]

Hey Brian, I sent a message to those guy's at APD, wanting to buy a new alky carb last week and haven't heard anything from them. Guess they don't like us Texas boy's. :lol:

You'll need to call them, ask for Randy, Joe or John all 3 are good guys to chat with. I dont think they reply to the email thing. The phone sometimes is even hard to get through its always busy with people calling.

[Gdaddy]

Brian..i had a buddy considering a change to alky..i had just ordered a new 1150 for my 447 SBC in my Trans Am..and told him he was welcome to try it. i put it on and set his fuel system like mine .we went to the track..it was a little warm..bad air..his car went .24 better than the BEST pass his Pro Systems gas dominator in the best of air..needless to say..i didnt get my carb back..lol..i called John and ordered a new 1..his stuff works great..you will be happy im sure John and Randy are Good guys and great to help with any issues

[SST4530]

Hey Brian, I sent a message to those guy's at APD, wanting to buy a new alky carb last week and haven't heard anything from them. Guess they don't like us Texas boy's. :lol:

You'll need to call them, ask for Randy, Joe or John all 3 are good guys to chat with. I dont think they reply to the email thing. The phone sometimes is even hard to get through its always busy with people calling.

It was sent to John, figured I'd need to call, very few respond to there email. Don't know why they bother to put them on the site. :roll:

Thanks, Bill

[hammertime]

A lot of companies never reply via email.
I always call after 1pm seems like the phone is always busy in the am.
Joey is good with fuel systems
Randy is the self proclaimed carb god :lol:
Johnny is the all around man

Its amazing to see all the brands of carbs in there getting redone if you think of it, its under the bench being swapped over.

[topsportsman1]

Bill
Call Patrick,you won't ever have to chase this guy.Patrick is a great guy and tends to business and he returns calls and emails if missed.24-7 help also

http://www.pro-system.com/friendlydom.html

[SST4530]

Thanks Guys, I'll get um tracked down. I know somebody wants to sell a new carb. :)

[hammertime]

Thanks Guys, I'll get um tracked down. I know somebody wants to sell a new carb. :)

gas or alky ?

[SST4530]

Thanks Guys, I'll get um tracked down. I know somebody wants to sell a new carb. :)

gas or alky ?

Changeing to Alky, currently have gas 4150 HP1000.

[hammertime]

APD is who you want then, Pro System & APD gas stuff is on a equal playing field but alky is a different ball game.

[bjuice]

i spoke with Johnny from APD last Thursday..i spent over 45 minutes on the phone with him...we spoke about my set up and the entire APD Company and how they got started etc...

they custom built me an 1150 cfm alcohol carb with external linkage and told me it would be ready to ship by next monday ( 3 days later) ..i got a call on my cell phone Monday confirming my shipping address and the carb was on my door step thursday....all this took place within 7 days..
the carb was dynoed tuned with spec set up card etc...nice looking piece.

i will have to say i have never spoken with a tech guy that took sooo much time to explain things and act like he didn't mind doing it..

i haven't run the carb yet cause the intake is still getting ported...if we have some good 60 degree days i will run it this year sometime..the good thing is that i can switch back and forth with my gas braswell carb...


so far no problems with APD....Pick up the phone and call them..its been a good experience so far...except the price...ouccccchhhhhh...but as they say you get what you pay for...right ??????: :D

Brian

[bjuice]

you say that as a joke and this day and time it is BUT back in 1982 i had one of the meanest quadrajets on a 68 GTO......That thing would come ON when those 2 large secondaries would open up and you could hear it sucking air 1 mile away.....you know the sound i am speaking of...

it was awesome..

u just brought back some good memories..

Brian

[gdmii]

You brought back some memories too. Here's my '68 Goat back in 1972. Me and my Dad celebrating my first win.

http://www.gdmii.com/pics/68GTO2.jpg

http://www.gdmii.com/pics/68GTO1.jpg

George

[bjuice]

amazing !..mine was red with his and hers hurst shifter and yours ?

that pic is priceless !

Brian

[woodsman]

George that is just plan far out. Good pics.

[gdmii]

amazing !..mine was red with his and hers hurst shifter and yours ?

that pic is priceless !

Brian

Thanks Wesley. Brian, that pic is a little old :) and faded some. Silver with the black vinyl top and black vinyl interior. I had the "all his" Hurst Competition Plus 4 sp. shifter. My Dad had never driven a 4 sp. car before. The only 4 sp. he had was in his truck where 1st gear was a granny gear. He goes to drive this thing and takes off in 2nd per his normal routine in his truck. He almost killed the motor, gave it more gas and got the clutch out and laid 30 ft. of rubber with my Mom in the right seat. He came back grinning from ear to ear and my Mom wouldn't talk to him the rest of the day because he scared her so much. Ahhh...life was good!!

George

[SST4530]

Hey Brian,

I'm sure they're a good bunch. I'm just so used to communicating with an email, don't call unless I have to. I know what you mean about the cost....but if I learned anything over the years, it's spend your money smart....buy the best and buy it once!

I'll give them a call in a few weeks. Don't have time to work on it now anyway.

Good luck with the new setup, look forward to hearing (seeing) how it runs! :)

[elkymann]

amazing !..mine was red with his and hers hurst shifter and yours ?

that pic is priceless !

Brian

Thanks Wesley. Brian, that pic is a little old :) and faded some. Silver with the black vinyl top and black vinyl interior. I had the "all his" Hurst Competition Plus 4 sp. shifter. My Dad had never driven a 4 sp. car before. The only 4 sp. he had was in his truck where 1st gear was a granny gear. He goes to drive this thing and takes off in 2nd per his normal routine in his truck. He almost killed the motor, gave it more gas and got the clutch out and laid 30 ft. of rubber with my Mom in the right seat. He came back grinning from ear to ear and my Mom wouldn't talk to him the rest of the day because he scared her so much. Ahhh...life was good!!

George

Thanks for the fun story George, sure wish our parents could live a little longer, I will miss mine bigtime when they go, but for now, I try to involve them in my racing fun as much as possible. Great pictures, save them for ever :D
I think if MY dad crawled somehow into my Elky, if he could reach the loud pedal, and start it up, I think that would be enough for him, I think the torque would be the phone call to 911 if he hit the pedal :shock:
Great story, thanks for it.

Elky

[gdmii]

Both of mine have been gone now for quite some time but I remember that day like it was yesterday. Enjoy them all you can.

George