500+ Ci.Rons inj. tuneup?

[LuckyDawgRacing]

I'm trying to fine tune my inj. tuneup and am wondering what others are running in the way of pills and nozzles. At the moment I'm at 40 nozzle and 88 pill with 1135 average egt. but I think there's better there. Just finding it. engine is currently 516 ci. TD bbc with terminator. To me the engine sounds raspy and slightly lazy. Intake doesnt get cold. I do know that 1 size change in nozzle equals 14 #s' in pill but just cant get it right

[hammertime]

www.killerrons.com

James is the man !!

[LuckyDawgRacing]

been there done that I would still like to hear some of you guys tuneups

[hammertime]

1135 EGT is ok IMO but every combo is different. My toilet never got the intake cold well nothing like my carbs do.

Which pump are you running ?

I'd take what James says to the bank he's seen and done enough of them.

[LuckyDawgRacing]

0 1/2 pump recently upgraded by Rons. What timing do you run? I saw where somebody had a 622" and was using 36 nozzles?just curious. I agree 1135 is not bad. Its just like I said, the engine sounds raspy and slightly sluggish.I leaked it at 27-28%

[zipper06]

I run a toilet bowl also, but on a s/blk. 377" Still need more imfo. what size bowl are you running, mine is a 4.1, you may have the larger one for a big blk..
my thinking is that the pump you have is not big enough. I have talked with James a few time's, and bought additional parts. they say their dash-1 pump will run stacks injection, this i donot buy, since at 4000.rpm's it only puts out 3.8GPM.
I personally run a DSR pump on mine which puts out around 6GPM and no highspeed bypass. I think i could run better on top end with 1 installed.
In the heat at Memphis i run .080 to .090 jet. the only problem is i leave the line at 190* and get back to the pits at 170* no EGT installed,No carb box on top, just a cowl induction hood. Lot's of things wrong on my car, but it's as crisp as carberator, barrel valve set at 23lbs leakdown. i can can also run round robin and never turn on the water pump.
I think 14lbs at the nozzles is not enough pressuse there, i would get a bigger pump, and install a hightspeed leanout, set it at 65lbs starting point and work down from there. That's where i set my stacks injection at.
The manifold cannot get cold because there's no alcohol in it, (only air) unlike running a carb where the alcolhol passes thru the manifold, that in respect is where the argument starts that carbs run better that bowls because thr fuel charge is colder.
Bottom line i would get a higher pressure to the nozzles so they can spray rather than dribble and i think you'll see a major increase in performance.

JMO

Zip.

[LuckyDawgRacing]

Zip, that makes sense about the intake inj./carb thingy. I'm not running toilet I'm a terminator. 2300 cfm, I think.... the pumps turned up better than the stock 01/2. What timing you running?What compression? I'm at 36 and 15-1

[LuckyDawgRacing]

zip that should say 2100 cfm

[zipper06]

I'm running static 13.94 @38* advance, The little 377" doesn't have much torque, but puts out pretty good on HP. my heads are only Bodix track 1's.
My car is pretty heavy @3250lbs with driver and will only run 6.52 1/8 and 10.59 qtr. But when i first built this motor we put in my friends 1850lb dragater without 160lb driver and also a stacks 2 7/16" hilborn unit. On the 5th pass it ran at Memphis 5.16 1/8 and 8.24 qtr. at 158mph. I don't know what this translates to HP, but i think it's pretty good considering the engine size. That was with 4.56 gears and 16X33 goodyears and a 5500 stall converter shifting at 6800. In fact our dial at the 2005 Super Chevy show was 5.15 and we broke out by .002. but like i said no torque, but the response is crispy critter.
I've got 5 pumps from hilborn (0) to enderle 990, but i also have a stacks injection engine and a blown alcohol s/blk engine. I know i can always bleed off what i can't put thru the nozzles, but if i don't put enough to them they will never perform at the engines best ability

Zip.

[lively]

I TRIED RUNNING A TOILET BOWEL A COUPLE OF TIMES BUT THE TANK STUCK UP TOO HIGH[ I COULDN'T SEE PAST IT] :oops: :oops: :oops: ---AND THEN AT HIGH SPEED [OVER 20 MPH] THE LID KEPT FLYING UP :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[zipper06]

HeHe :P
That only happens with a ford :lol:

Hey lively, did you see that Falcon advertised on RJ for $12,500.00 with the 410" mtr. looks good and runs 6.17, it's got everything that you want in yours. I know that the housing industry is in a swamp now but that is an awful good buy.

http://www.racingjunk.com/post/917048/1963-Ford-Falcon-Ranchero-410-Stroker-Windsor.html

Zip.

[lively]

YEAH ZIP --I SAW THAT AND DROOLED AND PANTED AND THEN I PINCHED MYSELF AND RELIZED I CAN'T SPEND THAT MUCH[2 BOYS IN COLLEGE THIS YEAR]-BUT SOME DAY :shock: :evil: :shock: :shock: --I DID START MY NEW FRAME TODAY, I GOT MOST OF IT CUT AND FITTED-HOPEFULLY I WILL FINISH CUTTING TOMORROW AND START WELDING IT UP THIS WEEK AND THEN THE FUN STARTS :wink: :wink: :lol: :lol:

[lively]

AND THEN THE MAN ASKED WHAT KIND OF GAS YOU RUN IN THAT TOILET BOWEL?---- :oops: :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol: PURE METHANE :lol: :lol: :lol:

[davis419b]

Lucky, I ran a Terminator for 5 years and I think it is the best set up on the market for fuel injecton. I think 40 nozzels are too big, you want the fuel to be a pressure spray. I ran a 463SBC with 36 nozzels and an 85 pill and my backup motor was a 377SBC and 33 nozzels with a n 85 pill. The 85 pill was my pill of chioce after trying many pills. I would change the nozzels to 36 to 38 and if the egt was still over 1100 i would fatten it up with an 85 and then an 82 till you get aruond 1050. I am curious what your fuel pessure is? I think the leak down is good. If you have tune up questions call Rons Fuel Injection ask them about nozzel size. As for pill size they will steer you into the rich side just to be safe on thier part. Any more questions dont hesitate to ask.