hawk racing rods?????china but so it eagle

[Timmyboy86]

does anyone have any stories on the hawk racing rods? i really need to know how they compare up to eagle in the next copule of days before i buy

[davis419b]

Out of the three you have mentioned go with Eagle.

[edvancedengines]

Timmyboy,
I do not understand.

Why are you considering all of these unknown and wierd name racing engine products?

If it is becuase of a tight budget let us know. There is no shame in not having money and trying to make your dream come true on a shoe string budget. Many of us here have done or do that same thing.

Tell us what you presently own and what you are wanting to try to build. For sure I will try to help and I know several others here that will too.

Do not take gambles on cheaper parts that no one has ever heard about.

For you to know. There are some ebay selles that are buying up factory defect or blemished Eagle, Scat, Cat, etc parts and are selling them as the real thing. I'll bet there could be some others doing this same thing and giving them a new name. Or another Chinese breeed is trying to get started.

Ed

[billhendren]

Take any Chinese rod to a race shop and have the big end checked for size before you try to use it.Had a set of Eagles come in as part of a balance job yesterday and since we have found so many off size I asked the customer if he would like us to put them on the gage while he was here.the entire set was .001/.0015 above maximum with .0005 out of round and .0007 bell mouth. By cutting .006 off the cap and rod we got them back to an acceptable state but the parting line area was still .0007 above minimum,not what I would want in a new rod.Its a sad state of affairs when a rod that is claimed to be finished in the USA is so far out of tolerance,kind of makes you wonder if they brought some 50 cent a day labor over here.Bill

[zipper06]

does anyone have any stories on the hawk racing rods? i really need to know how they compare up to eagle in the next copule of days before i buy

I've seen all the rods mentioned, and i believe the eagles are a little strong due to their machining method in the (H) section of the rod. Hawk,Scat, and Cat, uses a 1/2" ball endmill to gut the H section, where s eagle take 2 passes with a 1/4" ball endmill leaving a small stand ^ in the center of the rod i feel making them stronger, but i would opt. for the ARP 2000 or L19 bolts instead of the 8620 bolts.

RE:, Bill,
You're pretty close about Eagle, i've been a machinest all my life, and work about 40 miles south of Eagles shop as a CNC programmer and machinest, so i check everything i'm going to run or build. They do farm some work out, but that's no excuse, they advertise +or - .0005 on all tolerance on all areas, so those rods could have been seconds but i doubt it. They're just lax on their inspection and by the way their pay scale is $12.00 max except for the setup man, who make about $18.00 per hr.
I've return sets of rods, and 1 crankshaft for being out of tolerance, so i'm not surprised at your findings. The average joe blow who pays $400.00 for set of rods rarely ever check them except with plasti gage and what you found or what i would find they never see. I guess that's how these manufacturers get away with such shoddy work.

just my .02

Zip.

[doubler]

My GM 7/16 rods need to be replaced. The local machine shop suggested to go with SCAT H beam as he could get them at a reasonable price and thought they were a pretty good rod. I think I would rather go with Manleys, but don't know the price difference yet. I don't want to spend a lot of money on this motor, so will the Scats' be okay? Should be better thans the GM in any case? how would the Manleys compare quality wise with the Scats?

Does anyone know where to get the best deal on the lower quality stuff? Can't afford Olivers...

[zipper06]

Go here there's 54 sets listed on ebay and most are under $300.00.

http://motors.search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&saspi=2&from=R10&samcm=6000&satitle=454+chevy+rods&sacat=6000%26catref%3DC6&fmmk=&fmmd=&fylo=&fyhi=&mppfqy=454+chevy+rods&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=71336&sabfmts=1&saobfmts=insif&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=&fsop=1%26fsoo%3D1&coaction=compare&copagenum=1&coentrypage=search

Zip.

[topsportsman1]

I'd like to see some of the testing numbers of that junk,like tensile strength

Only thing that junk would be good for is make clock ornaments

I would never use that junk,I'd be afraid it would hurt my reputation.
Thats my story and I'm sticking to it,in fact I won't use any chinese junk in any engine,the customer will take it some where else to get it assembled,thats just the way I am

[nabit]

My engine ahs the hawks racing cast steel cranks 4.250 and the hawks h-beam forged rods in it right now. All the measurements came up fine per my machinist and they weren't touched as far as the rod ends and the crank journals. They balanced out fine with srp forged pistons, proform balancer and tci flexplate.

My machinsit said they looked great especially for the price I paid for them.

When I installed everything I didn''t have a single problem with fitment or anything, all went together uneventful.


I should have the engine running by the end of september for more feedback..

[zipper06]

My engine ahs the hawks racing cast steel cranks 4.250 and the hawks h-beam forged rods in it right now. All the measurements came up fine per my machinist and they weren't touched as far as the rod ends and the crank journals. They balanced out fine with srp forged pistons, proform balancer and tci flexplate.

My machinsit said they looked great especially for the price I paid for them.

When I installed everything I didn''t have a single problem with fitment or anything, all went together uneventful.


I should have the engine running by the end of september for more feedback..

i don't think anyone here is saying that you can't put one together with those parts, but in the end it's how hard you going to run and how will the parts hold up, that's the bottom line.

Zip.

[nabit]

well I guess I will be everyones guinea pig then..After I get it running and use to having all that power from the 496 I will be adding nitrous to it...

I saw another person on a different site that was running this crank but with the i beam rods and he had it for a few years running with no problems in a street strip car and he raced it alot, that is what made my mind up on using them..or ohio, rpm or any of the other lower priced crank companies..

[edvancedengines]

Nabit,
I wish you well and hope this works for you.

There is no way possible I would consider using unknown components in my own engine or in a customer engine.

At least the Eagle, Scat, and Cat are established with their own reputations now.

You did mention that the crank is a cast crank? To me that sounds scarey but if it is for low horsepower it may be ok. That does start me wondering though. Cast 4.250 crank? There is not many around. Maybe that is a clue about who Hawk really is.

I do wonder about the product choice of name too. Hawk - Eagle. Hmm' would be easy enough to have the same logo. Wonder if this is an Eagle underground Buyer/Supplier?

Maybe it is good parts that are sold in blemish sales. I have nothing against the blemish stuff.

Ed

[zipper06]

I'd be a hypocrite if i say i don't or haven't used the parts mentioned on this post. I have an Eagle crank and rods in my 377" motor that has gone 5.16 and 8.26 in a dragster and runs 6.50's in my 3250lb Malibu 2 yrs. old, i also have a 434" with a scat crank, but with Lanotti promod rods. No matter what you use in a 4340 stl. it's better than factory stuff. I think everyone who posted here just wanted to alert the person that he was not getting the best product available. I personally know the limits of the products and stay within them, that's why i run them. If i were build an all out engine no matter what size, i would opt. for better parts. IE: example, my 383", blown alcohol 1471,buzzard catcher motor has, a Lanotti, black crank, BME alum. rods, and Arias blower pistons, because i don't want to run over the parts at 1/2 track when i'm already having enough trouble just getting down the track. The motor has already been 4.61 in the 1/8 when it was a 358" motor @ 2600lbs, it's now going in an 1800lb Anglia as a 383" motor earley next yr.

just my .02

Zip.

[zipper06]

Nabit,
I wish you well and hope this works for you.

There is no way possible I would consider using unknown components in my own engine or in a customer engine.

At least the Eagle, Scat, and Cat are established with their own reputations now.

You did mention that the crank is a cast crank? To me that sounds scarey but if it is for low horsepower it may be ok. That does start me wondering though. Cast 4.250 crank? There is not many around. Maybe that is a clue about who Hawk really is.

I do wonder about the product choice of name too. Hawk - Eagle. Hmm' would be easy enough to have the same logo. Wonder if this is an Eagle underground Buyer/Supplier?

Maybe it is good parts that are sold in blemish sales. I have nothing against the blemish stuff.

Ed

Ed, they're cast , 5140 steel, not cast iron, everybody is now selling them, they are one step above the cast iron cranks, that's what the SIR rods are made with, they for sure don't break as easy. My friend runs (2)305" class sprint cars and uses the SIR rods (manatory replacement for stock) and he broke a piston a few weeks ago, the rod looked like a pretzel, but didn't break. I've seen stock chevy rods break with half that much stress.

Zip.

[edvancedengines]

Zip,
You just have to send me pics of that Anglia.

I love them.

Ed

[zipper06]

Zip,
You just have to send me pics of that Anglia.

I love them.

Ed

WELL!!!, Ed,

I'll post them if you promise not to laugh, i bought in your country(Tx is a seperate country, right?) a little over a yr. ago (Big Springs, Tx) it's an all original steel body and still right hand steer. All i've accomplished so far is the body work,(remember i'm old and slow hehe) and i had the chassis made by ART in Fl. and i have the rear fab 9" and r&p steering. I now have to mount the body and build the cage, plus i still need wheels and tires. I have the power train ready to go. I don't know if i can drive it because i haven't been that fast for over 20yrs, but i'm going to try.

let me know if you want me to post the photos.

Zip.

[zipper06]

Zip,
You just have to send me pics of that Anglia.

I love them.

Ed

O'k Ed here is the Anglia and chassis, plus the blower motor link when i had it in my friends ugly Dodge that went 4.61, it was 358" here. Don't be concerned about the smoke we had just run the valves. I still tune them like the old days, leap frog to the starting line, the fans love it

Zip.

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[nabit]

the cast steel hawk crank is the same material as the cast steel 9000 scat crank.

If I could find were i read it at I will post it but it state that scat, cat, hawks rpm ohio and eagle are all made in the same factory in china, but the finihing and polishing of the journals is done in the own companies factory and that is the only difference.

back in the mid 90"s i remeber scat getting the same bad rap that these new ones are and that turned out to be bogus, people just weren't into buying china made stuff. Now that scat has seemed to have been decent other companies are following in the footsteps.

I have spoke to a few that hae hawks cranks and rods for a few years and none have had problems yet so that is the reason for me purchasing them. I got feedback from some customers before buying them.

If I had the money I might have gone the eagle route but for cost I went hawks...

[excelerater]

Never buy race parts for new MFGs untill you get feedback from other racers on how the parts are living......Eagle and Scat both had growing pains a few years ago but are both doing pretty well and delivering
decent stuff-can you say that about Hawk?

[nabit]

Eagle and Scat both had growing pains a few years ago but are both doing pretty well and delivering
decent stuff-can you say that about Hawk?

well I talked to a few people that had been running hawk stuff for a few years and they didn't have any problems with them at all, so i went that route. Are there as many people running hawk as there are running scat and eagle..no
does that make them a bad product...well only time will tell..I am hoping yes but if not then I have the start to a nice coffee table...lol..

[edvancedengines]

Nabit,
Here is what bothers me about the Hawk Products, I guess more than it is probably like a Eagle knock-off etc. You say they have been doing this for years, and people have used their parts for years. I keep up pretty well with the performance industry and changing trends new mfg etc and I have never heard of them. Just like Timmyboy the original poster here was asking about another strange off brand product in a different thread.

Hawk may be great. No one knows abou the product. How could they have been in business for several years making a great product and most engine builders not know who they are.

Elgin Pro Stock was another but at least we knew who they were. Wheeler was another but we found out what he was. Renegade is another but we know who they are. Hawk is a new unheard of product. I doubt they have been in business several years. I may be wrong.

Ed

[topsportsman1]

well I guess I will be everyones guinea pig then..After I get it running and use to having all that power from the 496 I will be adding nitrous to it.....


On a cast crank? You might be sorry if you add too much nitrous,but keep us updated :P

[nabit]

well I guess I will be everyones guinea pig then..After I get it running and use to having all that power from the 496 I will be adding nitrous to it.....


On a cast crank? You might be sorry if you add too much nitrous,but keep us updated :P

just a hundred or so..Not a big fogger kit or anything...I see factory cast cranks running 200 shot so I will stay around or less than that..

[billhendren]

I agree with Ed,I have been building race engines for 50 years now and keep up with everything current in the trade magazines and PRI.
I as well have never heard of Hawk.Where did you find out about them? Bill

[nabit]

I first found them on ebay in march of 05 and started doing research on them. I googled them and found quite a few threads back then about them and still do today. I talked to a few people back around that time also that said they had them for a year already and they were doing fine and the last time I talked to one of the guys that had one his was still runnig great. and that 6 months ago so that engine was running for over 2 years but not quite 3. Yes I know they are a no name brand and that they are fairly new and that they could be the worse thing since chernobyl but they could also turn out to be like scat and eagle which went through the same complaints quite a few years back. Now I can't say that they will ever be as good as eagle or if tomorrow they will shut thier doors, but for almost 2 years I have been keeping track of them. Have talked to people that have them and still are running them for over 2 years and I still see people post about them in many forums on the internet.

My engine may blowup on ignition, which I don't want but the pistons in my engine came from an engine builders shop that had an eagle crank go south on a fresh engine but it didn't hurt the pistons so i bought them really cheap. So even eagles can have problems.

I went with them because i felt for the powerlevel I was going to be at and the amount of money I had to spend they would do just fine for me until I could build the engine I want with the parts I want. That day is along way away so the next best thing is what I did. Find a no name put a little trust in them and have my machinist look them over b4 I do anything to them and see if they are worth it. He said they looked great for the price and didn't reguire to much to balance them and that they were all fairly evenly wieghted. I may blow but then I might also run for a few years get my money out of them and then still build the engine I really want...

kia hyundai motors were the joking stock of the automotive world in the late 90's.. by mid 2000 they were competitive with american autos and by the end of the 2000 they surpassed all american cars and are rivals aainst much more expensive honda, accods and toyotas...

sometomes a crap beginning can make a wonderful future..sometimes a crap beginning just make more expensive crap...So I will find out if I have a good quality part or good expensive crap...lol...

[zipper06]

Hawk has been around a couple yrs.. I've seen them advertised by some ebay sellers outlet stores, but i've never seen a direct ad from Hawk. They may have a buy in for the ebay sellers, not sure how that works, but the rep. that i get my Procomp stuff from has a buy in with a company, that imports and machines parts from China. He had to sign a $10,000.00 buy in contract for the first yr., but the prices are dirt cheap. Like a 383 rotating assy with rings,king bearings,5140 stl. crank, sir rods and kB hyperutectic pistons, included stl. balancer. flex plate and balancing,my cost $549.00.

Zip.

[cepx111]

"kia hyundai motors were the joking stock of the automotive world in the late 90's.. by mid 2000 they were competitive with american autos and by the end of the 2000 they surpassed all american cars and are rivals aainst much more expensive honda, accods and toyotas"
AHEMMMMMMMMM.....
I have to strongly disagree here. No offense but,
NO jap crap car has EVER surpassed an American car.
In my oppinion we make some of the most high quailty cars in the world now.
I dont care what Motor Trend mag says or jd power, consumer reports whatever. I think they all are biassed anyway.
Ok I feel better now....

[edvancedengines]

Ok,
Now this is all making sense. They are not a normal performance industry product. The ebay connection is explaining it all better. So all they need to set up a new company is an ebay account. O'Boy.

I hope all of this is ok. Maybe this comany wil turn out and sell a same quality product.

Ed

[nabit]

Ok,
Now this is all making sense. They are not a normal performance industry product. The ebay connection is explaining it all better. So all they need to set up a new company is an ebay account. O'Boy.

I hope all of this is ok. Maybe this comany wil turn out and sell a same quality product.

Ed

yes they can only be found on ebay. they do have a website though as well but you can't purchase from them, at least I don't think you can.

http://www.hawksracing.com/index.html

[cepx111]

So it's the Ebay / China connection? Dam it man, anything for a buck.

[Tod74]

What about all that procomp stuff on ebay? like stainless rockers and what not...that stuff worth a crap or no?

[zipper06]

I bought a set of stainless 1.6's just to have them on hand. they in no way compare to comp cams or crower. In fact the front rollers have .002/003 clearance on the pin. They would probably be o'k for a flat tappet spring with maybe 135/140 seat pressuse but after looking at these i wouldn't put on a set of PSI's valve springs with a 260lbs seat pressuse on them. I just wouldn't trust them that far.

Zip.

[Pwmax]

You have to be very careful buying some of that really cheaply priced chinese parts. Some of it is absolute garbage, some of it, is actualy pretty decent. Buyer beware. Personaly, anything to do with valve train, I would stay away from. That has to be the biggest cause of engine damage/failures there is. When a rocker arm is described as follows, "Excellent for budget, low lift applications. Needs good oil supply and low spring pressure to survive. ". That is an actual description of a set of roller rocker arms. Yah, that wording sure instills confidence in my mind.

Frank
Advanced Performance
www.get-ap.com

[upstand]

I have a 383 with all china/cat crank , rods , roller rockers , balancer , flexplate. It's been to 7000 rpm alot and held together with the exeption of eating up the rear main bearing the first summer.