cryogenic treatment

[Timmyboy86]

is this stuff for real i'm thinking about getting the crank treated but does this stuff really work? sounds like magic tricks all an illusion. and even bigger spoof i think is this talk about residual stress that may cause the crank of block to crack

[bubbabbc]

Save your money. Snake oil for weekend racers.

[lively]

is this stuff for real i'm thinking about getting the crank treated but does this stuff really work? sounds like magic tricks all an illusion. and even bigger spoof i think is this talk about residual stress that may cause the crank of block to crack---LIKE THEY ALWAYS SAY A MAN AND HIS MONEY ARE EASILY PARTED!!!---JUST BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SPEND IT ON---SOME MAGICAL THINGS DO HELP BUT ALOT OF THEM DON'T DO A THING!!!!!

[cepx111]

I know its fairley pricey so I would say it would be out of reach for the average person on a budget. As far as its strengthen properties??? They say it really does help but I've havent read or heard of much research or facts and figures on it.
Most of the big name racer do use it though and including most cup teams, if you got the money I'd say get it, but like I said I really think its out of touch for most of us. Cp

[edvancedengines]

I really don't know.

I do know a large number of engine builders that are big time sucessful as compared to me, but those guys are friends of mine and I know for sure that none of those are using this process. Maybe they just have not tried it yet. Some of those guys are in shops that are huge in size and budgets and that do much R&D just to try stuff and I know of none using the process.

It might actually have merit but I know of none including NHRA Pro Stockers who have tried it.

I have heard of a few Cup Teams trying this but have not heard results. If you are ready to try it now, let me know and I will phone a couple of Nextel Cup guys and see what thier results have shown.

Ed

[SST4530]

There's a shop just up the street from me that does this. Marty Burke Motorsports, aside form doing a few of my racing friends engines and other drive line components, he uses the process on his own engines. I know he has two identically C/SA engines with only difference one being completely cryogenically prepped. The cryo motor is faster. Can't explain the difference other than the cryo.

Here's a brief dicription of the process from his webpage.

www.martyburkemotorsports.com/cryoclass.htm

[edvancedengines]

Where is Leonard Texas?
I am in Plano close to Dallas.

Ed

[davis419b]

Ed, I believe Lenard is up around Bonham.

[edvancedengines]

Ed, I believe Lenard is up around Bonham.

Well, shoot.
We are neighbors then. :)

Howdy Neighbor :D

Ed

[cboggs]

I've tried it on heads with a ton of welding, .. like aluminum superstock
or older pro stock, .. it seemed to help keep the seats from moving
around, .. but it's not all it's cracked up to be.
( pun intended )

I see no reason to try it on cranks & blocks, . . .

but I have since gone to the vibratory stress relief and that has shown
positive results.

Curtis

[SST4530]

Where is Leonard Texas?
I am in Plano close to Dallas.

Ed

Yep we are neighbors! Leonard is between Trenton and Celeste on Highway 69 about 30 minutes NE of McKinney. :)

I travel through Plano almost everyday.

[SST4530]

Not far from Wylie either. :D

[davis419b]

blittle, where do you race at ?

[Pwmax]

It helps. A friend of mine, was doing it for 5 years or so, and I had quite a bit done there for awhile. It seemed to make a diff. Thats about all I can say. It seemed to. Its hard to say. I know he did tons of barrells for a custom gun shop, that made competion target rifles, and, they swore the cryoed barrells, were more accurate, and more consistent, when they heated up after many rounds. I noticed improved bore and piston skirt life, or, less wear. Like virtualy none. Cranks seemed to be harder after. I know I had him do some boring bar cutters, and some carbide porting tools, and, those ones stayed sharper longer, no doubt about that. He did it correctly, I know, and that makes a difference. The hard part, is knowing if they really did it or not.

Frank
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[racear2865]

I have been an Engineer for 38 plus years and have worked in numerous factions of industry as well as I own my own engine building shop. Cryogenics has been around a few years. It is not a heat treatment procedure. It is for relieving stress built into the product as it was made and as it is machined. We have used it for years in tooling to keep tooling from fracturing in a stress riser. Does it work. I consider Oliver rods one of if not the best rod on the market. They were the first that I can remember to go to this process. When I was a consultant engineer, we ran many test back to back on reduction of cost in tooling, and in every case, we saw a dramatic difference in using this process. I have had my rear gears and my tranny gears treated with this for years because of the impact in launching with good success. On any engine part that can have stress riser. I treat them. I TRY to lessen the risk of failure in any engine part so that my customers will return. Are they faster. Never looked at it but I do know that if stress risers are evident that parts will distort and cause HP loss before failure. You be the judge. It is not black magic. It is only a sign of todays technology creeping into our beloved sport. Your only decision is does the additional cost offset the gain.
sorry for offering my opinion. It is mine alone.
racear2865

[CajunCryogenics]

I know this post is pretty old but I thought I would comment any way. Cryogenic processing works, it does not fix everything but it will relieve residual stress, increase strength, improve wear resistance, and improve heat dissipation properties among a few other benefits. The question is, depending on your part and its composition, will you notice the difference. Most people want to see the change right now but when something extends the life of the part or makes it stronger you have to wait to see. There are people who use faulty practices and rush the cryo process and because of this do not have good results. I am processing some Saginaw 3 and 4 speeds for some dirt track racers with very good results. There have also been some processors who treat spark plugs and claim to gain 9-25 hp, I have yet to try this but will soon. Pricing is usually affordable and most processors will charge by the pound on a gradual scale. $5 per pound to $8 per pound aprox. It is important that cryo processors use computer controlled freezers, ascent and descent rates no faster than 2 degrees per minute, get to -300f or colder for 24 hours and for ferrous metals do a mild heat temper afterwards. There are many NASA studies available on the subject as well as major manufactures that use this process like Benelli, and John Deere. If you are interested try it out it won’t hurt and some guys will process a part for free so you can see for yourself. I hope this has helped answer some questions on cryo processing thanks.