roller lifters

[demented]

I'm looking to find out what some guys think as far as what roller lifter is better. I have always used the crower lifters with hippo oiling. this time I was thinking of trying the new isky red zone lifters. Which ones are having less problems or do you have your own favorite that are worth trying?Let me know. Thanks

[zipper06]

That's a pretty good question, i've been wondering the same thing. i've been running comp-cam lifters, but have 2 sets of used lifters in good condition. (1) crower and (1) isky red zone, one of these are going in my in my 434" motor that's on the engine stand, that is if they will work. I'm not sure if they will because i have a set of brobix 10 rp's and may require offset lifters. In fact i'm not sure what rockers i can run yet, and Brodix can only tell me i have to run offset rockers but can't tell me how much offset i need. It's a fit together setup and i guess i'll know when the new head gaskets come so i can finish the assy.
If i had the money i would go to the larger .875 lifters because i know they would be better due too the larger roller.

Zip.

[demented]

I've used numerous different lifters in the past, but the last two sets I had were the crower's with the hippo oiling. These are excellent lifters. But I do have to upgrade this time to an offset lifter and one that can handle 900 lbs. of open pressure. I have heard the Isky lifters are the best to have in this situation but am skeptical about buying them because they are fairly new on the market. Has any one used these? Good, bad Or indifferent, I kind of would like to know. Also has anyone bought the needleless roller upgrade they offer? Is it worth the money? Seems like a sound investment ,but being new on the market, questions arise.

[hammertime]

IMO in this order Morel, Crower, Comp are the best

Morel makes lifters for a several different companys. Comps are made right here where I live and I will run them but never over 100 passes. I have never ran the Isky's just because all the guys around me that have ran them all call them Risky's

[perfconn]

Zipper06,
The .875 lifters don't have a larger roller.You have to go up to the .904 lifter to get a larger roller on the end.The .842 and the .875 have the same diameter roller.

[zipper06]

Zipper06,
The .875 lifters don't have a larger roller.You have to go up to the .904 lifter to get a larger roller on the end.The .842 and the .875 have the same diameter roller.

Thanks (perfconn),
I was not aware of that, i guess the .875's are just a repair fixer. i know that that it cost lot's of money to move up to the .904's due to having to rebore the lifter bores and not many shops are equipped to do this. I have 3 CNC Fadals available to me but no 3rd axis, so i can't do my own. I do have an EDM hole popper, so i make mine priority oiling to the rollers which extends the life a little. I do this also on my solid lifters.

Zip.

[edvancedengines]

I love the lifters I use. The only problem is that the company will only do business with known engine builders. If you are a professional engine builder and have some sort of proof, contact me and I can share this source. If not the best I can do is take orders and sell.

The .842 size has handled 380 # seat and over 1,000 lbs open with lifts of over .940 with no issues for a full season and they are supposed to be rebuildable.

The .904 size was handled 470# seat and above 1250 lbs open with lifts of over 1 inch for a season and looked good.

These do use internal oil channels to oil the rollers and are a cut-away design similar to the Crower Hippo or Isky Red-Zone. The price is a little less than the either of those but is not cheaper like the Crane or the Comp.

EaCH ORDR IS A DIFFERENT PRICE DEPENDIONG OF WHAT IS NEEDED i.e. sTRAIGHT oFF-SET SIZES LIFTER BODY HT ETC. (Caps lock sorry).

If you are in business as an engine builder please send me phone or email and I will turn you on to this product. If you are individual, I can not, becuase of the supplier's policies.

Ed

[edvancedengines]

There is a guy on a Ford Board that makes a kit to change the lifter bores by using a pilot reamer and other tools that costs appx 399.00 to 499.00 but I have not yet tried them. I am considering it though.

If interested, post it, or send me pm, and I will see if I can again find the info about it.

Ed

[demented]

What about these Morel Lifters. I've never heard of them. Are they descent? Where can I find out about them?

[hammertime]

My new lunati's I got from APD are morels

www.apdracing.com
www.nyesautomotive.net

They both have them and I am sure would sell you a set. I know APD had a set in a 565 big duke motor last year with well over 300 passes on it.

[demented]

Does morel make them for Lunati? I have direct access to lunati. What makes them such a good lifter? Are they made differently or do they just have better quality?

[hammertime]

They have started making them for Lunati as of late.

Not sure why they last so much longer I've seen nothing bad from them yet, they arent cheap but worth the money IMO.

[demented]

I went to lunati's website. They show a new lifter on the market. Are these the ones that we are talking about. http://www.holley.com/data/types/pictures/PressurizedRollerLifters.pdf


These are the ones made by Morel?I'm going to check on them.

[upstand]

I've been using the old redzone lifters with needle bearings for 1500 miles.

[demented]

Just got off the phone with lunati about the new lifters they offer. They are made by Morel, and they are priced nicely. From lunati ,$650.00 from a vendor that they recommended $550.00. They are fully rebuildable including tiebar and fasteners. They sound like a good deal. If what I am understanding about the morel lifters is true, These might be the lifter to have.

[sg1586]

I pm Ed about his lifters but got no responce :( :(

[woodsman]

If anyone has sent me any Private Messages and hey have not been answered, please do not give up on me helping you.

Try emailing to
[email protected]

I apologise to any or to all who feel I have ignored or neglected them, if I have.

Ed Wilson

This is down a few post from the one your own now.

[edvancedengines]

Man`,
I am really sorry. I do try my best to help everyone who emails me, phones me, and sends me PM's, and still get my work and ordering done, but i just fall behind.

I will answer your pm here in public. This lifter or these lifters do carry a name on them that says Custom Cams, but that is not anything you can go by. There are two different small cam companies with similar names and oddly enough they know each other but thier business are separate in different states.

I am pretty sure I have some pics of these lifters. I will see if I can find the pics and upload to my photobucket and then post them here in this thread. If taht will help any.

I can not off the top of my head tell any prices becuase each order is separate and some are off-set, some are extra tall, some are standard ht, and then we have the differences in the .842 - .875 - and the .904 lifters in all of the previous styles. So if anyone buys these from me or from any dealer we first have to know the specifics of what the exact lifter is, and calll and get our prices and what we are supposed to sell them for. I have always found these to be considerably less than the Crower Hippo Cut-away and the Isky Red-Zone. I have never used or priced the Morel, so I know nothing about those.

Ed

[sg1586]

Thanks for the reply Ed......You have an email :D

[sg1586]

Hummm, Sent email but no response :shock:

[Robert1320]

I love the lifters I use. The only problem is that the company will only do business with known engine builders. If you are a professional engine builder and have some sort of proof, contact me and I can share this source. If not the best I can do is take orders and sell.

These do use internal oil channels to oil the rollers and are a cut-away design similar to the Crower Hippo or Isky Red-Zone. The price is a little less than the either of those but is not cheaper like the Crane or the Comp.

If you are in business as an engine builder please send me phone or email and I will turn you on to this product. If you are individual, I can not, becuase of the supplier's policies.

Ed

I switched all of my upper end customers to the same lifters.
Ed, Thanks. We have had zero problems.

[engineer1975]

Hello,
I work inside the industry and my company has been a major customer of Morel's for years (almost since the program began). I will answer a few questions of the lifters without promoting my company.

1. Morel has supplied lifters to several Major cam companies for several years.
2. My company has used morel for 3+ years. Over that time, we have had only one set returned of approx `1000+ sets sold.
3. Morel lifters do have tighter tolerances and many other features that are improved over the Comp lifter, the Non-Morel ISKY lifter (ISKY does supply some Morel too), the Crower, and the Crane.
4. Most companies that sell Morel either sell direct and/or can recommend a distributor who carries their product
5. In the past 2 months, my company has turned on several new customers to the Morel lifter. Customers who were long term crower customers. These customer thoroughly tested the product and were to say the least, very impressed.

[demented]

Thanks for that last post. Aside from what was talked about here, I have nothing but good about morel lifters. Almost everybody that was asked said the same thing, "there an awesome lifter". I was happy to find out that lunati now sells them, As I can buy direct from lunati. When I asked about the lifters that lunati sells, the rep from lunati,a t first didn't want to say that morel makes them, But after some coersing, he decided to let out the secret. And they state that they are fully rebuildable, A nice added feature I might add. Also the same comment about never having any problems with these lifters has a sweet ring to it when you invest tons of money into a motor!!!! You don't want it coming apart.Now a days some of the best parts are not always the most expensive, Quality stills speaks for something.

[edvancedengines]

I am hoping to find your email and respond to it either tonight or tomorrow night. I am sorry but to tell the truth I am flooded with tech questions from several boards and I am trying to help everyone as much as I am capable to do.

I charge no one for all my time and my efforts to help them or to call them on the phone or to receive their phone calls. i try to help but I am only one imperfect guy with a huge load on several plates and I try to not disappoint anyone. I must have stretched myself far too thin becuase if I was staying caught up you would not be unhappy or disapponited in me.

Sorry.

Give me another day before you write me off.

Ed

[woodsman]

Hey Ed it sounds like its time for them to get a life so you can get yours back. I like to help people as I can get to it but if I dont get to it so be it. Stop an take a break and go to the track its great a little hot but great none the less. I got a quick question for you Ed how long does it take to shut down an take a break and enjoy life.

[sg1586]

Hey Ed it sounds like its time for them to get a life so you can get yours back. I like to help people as I can get to it but if I dont get to it so be it. Stop an take a break and go to the track its great a little hot but great none the less. I got a quick question for you Ed how long does it take to shut down an take a break and enjoy life.




Ed joined this forum....Did you expect him not to get flooded with questions??

[KATAutomotive]

Ed,

Could you e-mail that info to me?

TIA

I love the lifters I use. The only problem is that the company will only do business with known engine builders. If you are a professional engine builder and have some sort of proof, contact me and I can share this source. If not the best I can do is take orders and sell.

The .842 size has handled 380 # seat and over 1,000 lbs open with lifts of over .940 with no issues for a full season and they are supposed to be rebuildable.

The .904 size was handled 470# seat and above 1250 lbs open with lifts of over 1 inch for a season and looked good.

These do use internal oil channels to oil the rollers and are a cut-away design similar to the Crower Hippo or Isky Red-Zone. The price is a little less than the either of those but is not cheaper like the Crane or the Comp.

EaCH ORDR IS A DIFFERENT PRICE DEPENDIONG OF WHAT IS NEEDED i.e. sTRAIGHT oFF-SET SIZES LIFTER BODY HT ETC. (Caps lock sorry).

If you are in business as an engine builder please send me phone or email and I will turn you on to this product. If you are individual, I can not, becuase of the supplier's policies.

Ed

[edvancedengines]

Just to let you and others know before you call. These are not cheap, They do not compare in price or quality to anything but the best from Crower and Isky.

These are not Comp Cams or Crane or Cheaper Crower, Herbert, Isky etc . I said they are lower cost than the best from Crower and from Isky, not their cheaper lines. You would use these in applications where it is necessary to buy Isky Red-Zone, Crower Hippo Cut-away, and even the Jesel. If you do not need a top quality lifter to handle excessive spring loads, and are trying to find a cheaper alternative to common streeam lifters, do not consider these. They will handle the spring loads a Jesel or LSM will but are a tie bar lifter. that has internal oiling for the roller and the body is cut-away to help clear pushrods.

Ed

[KATAutomotive]

So this means you can't use a rev-kit?

and the body is cut-away to help clear pushrods.

Ed

[edvancedengines]

Keith,
The ones I use are maximum effort. I promise that with 470 lbs on the seat and 1250 lbs open there is no need for a rev-kit. lol.

He may also havea full body lifter I have not tried to buy any.

To tell the truth I do not use rev-kits. My hydraulic roller engines rev to 6,900 rpm and might go higer if we tried. No need in trying becuase for the type of engines those are that is enough for a shift point.

I have recently toyed in my head with the rev-kit though. I have not used one since I was a kid when good springs were not avaliable. I have read some of Joe Sherman's postings about them, and I just might try one out in the fairly near future.

Ed