BOWERS RACING ENGINES

[sprizefighter]

I wanted to post this because I think you guys need to know... Bret Bowers has returned my calls and I'm under the impression that he is trying to get his business together. Just as I stated before, I think the guy is an excellent engine builder and was just overloaded with work. I talked to guys that are very happy with his work and they all told me the same thing. He can be slow but he'll build you one hell of a engine. If you have any problem with Bret, Call him, he has been answering his phone and I THINK he will make it right. He is an engine builder and he has found someone to help him with the business end of running the shop. I'm going to chaulk this experience up to his growing pains. I'll let you know how it goes. My engine is supposed to be ready to ship any day. We can post the positive on here and give credit when it's due. BEST OF LUCK TO ALL, Larry / southern prizefighter

[woodsman]

Larry I am so happy for you that you are going to get your engine so soon man that is great. I hope you are right about Brett he sure does sound like a great guy on the phone. If he does get his act together than I have no doubt that he will go far. Well very happy for you and thanks for the good word. Wesley

[zano]

good luck his web site disappeared again

[chevguy65]

sprize,

I hope you get what you paid for, but in my life I have learned that a Leopard will normally not change it's spots.

It will be great if Bret gets his act together and does right by his customers in the future, something he has certianly not done in the past.

Again good luck to you and to Bret

[zano]

did you get your engine i get either a busy signal or it rings twice and goes dead when i call bret now . and still no web sight. its like he disappeared he doesn't answer my emails ether.

[lively]

BUUUUUURNED ANOTHER ONE!!!!!!!!!!!??????---I GUESS WE WILL WAIT AND SEE :x :x :x

[WVProStreet]

Bret left me an email early last week stating that he had lost a few employees and was sorry that I hadn't received my engine specs yet. I felt somewhat good that he did reply and let me know what was going on but, he said the specs would be in the mail last week...over 1 week later and no mail from Bowers! :( I give up......

[woodsman]

WVProStreet DO NOT GIVE UP. If you do that then he wins an thats just what he wants. So we are all asking you to please not give up. Stand back take a deep breath an get after it again. We are with you all the way. Larry did not give up and he said that he is getting his engine any day now so hang in there. Wesley

[lotsof454sss]

I agree with the woodsman...You give up and that is his game plan...DO NOT GIVE UP...Hang in like a bulldog that has bitten the mailmans ass....Do what ever you have to do to get your stuff or your money...This is a long drawn out story with him that seems to never end...After you there will be somone else, so if you stand tough you may save somone else from his plan...I know some of us on RJ have become a real pain in his ass and some of the others that are playing the game...I just hope they are ready to pay the price when the lose...And they will lose :!:

[woodsman]

Larry I was going through scammers and remembered that you where getting your engine an was wondering if you had any issues with it like the right color did you receive a spec sheet with it all of those types of things. Let us know if you are happy with it. Well very happy for you. Wesley

[POPSPV]

Hey guysa. I have been reading your entries with some interest. I ordered and engine and several parts from Bret in December. I am in Australia and found that this was my biggest issue. I had the exact same issues with calls not being returned and the same thing with emails. Eventually 5 months later my engine arrived. I also received wheels and tires that he had organised. This is all great, the 540 is excellent and all but he forgot to send my starter motor, my fuel pump, my nitros kit and my diff centre. So I am out about $2500-. he then calls me after 5 weeks of chasing and tells me he thought his guys had packed it all and that he woudl air freight it to me. All was to arrive last Wednesday. Nothing arrived as expected. Called the freight company and they new nothing of it. Some interesting stuff you may wish to know. The Colorado fraud police are currently trying to put a case together and go to the DA to get approval to criminally charge Bret for his practises. The second thing is that we have greater power in groups so I have been speaking to a solicitor named Tracey from Cline Williams lawyers in Fort Collins and if we get together we can have a huge chance of getting our issues solved quickly. Please let me know your throughts. Tracey can be contracted on 970-221-2637

[POPSPV]

just another quick add on here. The only reason we feel good when he calls is that we then think there is hope, thats normal. I got my dyno sheet 6 weeks after my engine arrived and it takes 4-6 weeks to get to Australia. I waqs told my engine was on the dyno for about 4 weeks by Bret and that it was going to be shipped for about 2 months. The dyno shows that it was done just before it left.

Bret Bowers of Bowers Racing Engines or B & K Performance of 117 Smokey rd, Fort Collins Colorado 970-226-6040 (dialled this number about 2000 times, please understand that all anyone wants is what they pay for. If your margins are to fine then increase your prices a little so you can run an orderly shop.

Please simply take a few hours to write or call your clients, give them a realistic expectation of when they can expect their goods and then meet that dead line. That is all people want. If it takes a few weeks longer then they just want to know about it. It is 10am Tuesday here so if anyone wants contact me outside of this forum to arrange a class action against him i am happy to manage that. email me on [email protected].

I hope for all our sakes that he is not just putting us all off until he closes up shop.

I have forwarded the links and the forum page to Bret so that he can see what has been said. I am sure that all of us believe that he can be great at what he does and that as long as we get what we paid for and he keeps in comtact with us all then we will say how good he has been on this an other web sites.

The chance is with you Bret to fix this and your reputation. no one else can do that but you.

[WVProStreet]

Well, I emailed Bret back and thanked him for yet another lie. I wish he would just quit pissing around and send me my engine specs. The time he has wasted trying avoid me he could have sent them out 2 weeks ago like he promised, and I would be off his @SS!!!! :(

[chevguy65]

Everyone please remember.

Bret and scot from dynoflo are cut from the same cloth and both suffer from dellusions of granduer and megalomania.

These are real and in their minds they do everything right and harm no one.

The truth is they are pathetic liars and poor businessmen, preying on the naievity of you and I.

I have voiced my opinion of these two people and am here doing it again.

Please, anyone new reading this take heed and avoid these people like the plague, they will only take your money and let you down.

My opinion only, based upon facts and that neither has had the balls to come in here and justify the way they treat their customers.

[POPSPV]

I agree with your statement totally. When my engine and wheels etc arrived he sent a nice note saying thanks for the business, he sent t-shirts and stickers. I thought to myself why would someone do that when they had knowingly ripped me off.

Still no reply as per usual and as stated in the previous email chain i am happy to assist with getting some group action together (at as little cost as possible) for those who have been defrauded and have paid money and not recieved the items. I will need details etc times dates etc so that i can pass these on. Please contact the fort collins police as the greater the number of complaints the stronger it makes their case. they do have a large number of complaints at the moment about Bret and when I first called it was very clear that he was well known to them.

[trukmann]

Maybe we should get Racingjunk.com to pull all their ads (Ad posted by: bowers (#28877)...) until they rectify all these problems posted by other members.

[woodsman]

This is what I posted on May 27 2007 and its still there.

This is just my 2 cents but I dont think B&K Performance Enterprises/Bowers Racing Engines should be in the Racing Junks.com Performance Racing Directory where more people can get mixed up in this Bret Bowers mess. I know that I wish I would not have got his number off of here. Wesley

[WVProStreet]

This is just my 2 cents but I dont think B&K Performance Enterprises/Bowers Racing Engines should be in the Racing Junks.com Performance Racing Directory where more people can get mixed up in this Bret Bowers mess. I know that I wish I would not have got his number off of here. Wesley

DITTO!!

[POPSPV]

The quaestion is then will the administrators of this sight do that or not? will they contact Bret and advise until thse items are resolved then we will no longer allow you on our directory or to sell items via our site!

I think that this is only fair.

I still have had no contact from Bret. Busy or not this is crap. I was wondering if anyone out there knows of a contact in Fort Collins that would be willing to drop in to his shop for those of us who are affected and at a long way for his shop and see what he says face to face.

[fifty3model]

...Was wondering the same thing about Bruis Glass Works..)See that thread also)...They still have ads up on RJ too...Know that another racer has even called RJ and they won't take off their ad....I could see leaving it if there was only one or two "disgruntles", but their thread is getting as big as this one, so you'd think they'd investigate it...Maybe if we all keep posting enough, they might do something..Or maybe their just waiting for these guy's ad time to run out...I've already seen some new "questions" from un-knowing racers on their ad...Tsk tsk...Not sure how much more hard earned money we all have to lose before they take it serious!...

[POPSPV]

Thanks for that advice. I will write to the administrator and do just that. when it comes to sending someone to see Bret, I have a solicitor ready and waiting (just confirming the actions he will be taking now) have made contact several time with the police who have existing registered complaints and are trying to put together a case. I urge anyoine who has been scammed to contact the FortCollins Fraud police and provide theri details so that they can formally take your statements also. As said earlier if anyone would like to join me one getting this sorted please email me on [email protected] and provide some details, i will then see if we can arrange something that may help get our money back.

[POPSPV]

made contact with racing junk as sufggested above and this is the reply. "
Once you fax over a request on legal letterhead we can supply you with
all the details of his account. So that you may pursue legal action.
We can disable his account once we get legal documentation that he
has been found guilty of any wrong doing."
Tough love. I will need to initiate thye legal action before they will do anything.

[lotsof454sss]

POPSPV, Just keep this in mind....No one can do what is outside the law unless they are willing to face the consequences, so there is the reason for the reply you got...Just keep your sights on what you want to accomplish and the end result with be sweet...If we can help please let us know as we are all behind you....

[POPSPV]

Thanks Lotsof454sss. Know where your coming from. Just had contact from another disgrunted person and looks like a visit to Bret may be on the horizen. All is difficult from so far away in Australia. My wife is all pissed off at the US and view of the world changed a little. We were just about to try buy a car from there and have some US muscle sent here but she has put a stop to that due to lack of trust. I said to here that we were just unlucky and that it could have happened anywhere but being so far away means that the entire transaction was based on trust that is not gone.I am sure that sooner or later if a few of us can get together we can sort this out and improve the feelings about being scammed.

Power in numbers is what is needed to sort this out. It will all work out in the end. If anyone knows of any tough debt collectors in that fort collins area I would be delighted to know who they are and get in contact with them.

[ashbros]

FYI :

Just found this link on a web site. Sincerely must be a bummer if this is the same business as listed on the link,

http://www.rbssuperchargers.com/Bounced_checks_or_no_pays.cfm

Check it out if you deal with bowers I do not know if it pertains to the same company as listed here on RJ.

[chevguy65]

FYI :

Just found this link on a web site. Sincerely must be a bummer if this is the same business as listed on the link,

http://www.rbssuperchargers.com/Bounced_checks_or_no_pays.cfm

Check it out if you deal with bowers I do not know if it pertains to the same company as listed here on RJ.

Same Business!!!!!!!

Bret seems to be having a real bad time....this happens when you either have no idea how to run a business or you just don't care who or what you screw.

[lively]

THAT IS NICE!!!IF HE IS HAVING TROUBLE PAYING HIS BILLS THEN HE NEEDS TO RETHINK HIS OWN BUSINESS PRACTICES!!----I HOPE HE GETS IT RIGHT BEFORE HE GOES OUT OF BUSINESS :? :?

[POPSPV]

Hey guys. back again. Has been some interesting times. After my post a guy named Larry who is a real estate agent in the states has over $15K on the line with Brett. he is a professional racer who based on Bret's promises is now in serious risk of loosing his sponsership. The police have taken this case up as it is seen as blatent fraud. Bret seams now to be aware of this and has finally contacted him and said that he would get his engine soon. For him I hope so. The sad part to all this now is that Bret has put his website up again which will no doubt catch other people in his trap. The better business bureau have listed bret as a problem, it would be good if his suppliers would take note and stop any terms he has in place so they don't get caught as well.

[lotsof454sss]

POPSPV...If you have information the police have taken up the other mans situation then I highly reccommend you contact them also if you have not already...I am going to repeat myself to anyone that has been scammed, please read the first 3 threads in this section and especially the 3rd as they will give you some good information and of course we all will be glad to help as much as possible...Good luck POPSPV

[POPSPV]

Done. I was the one who got him on to it. Still no luck for him with Bret. He sends the fraud pack Monday morning, his sponcer has ordered hima new engine elsewhere and Bret is going to be in more trouble than he can hope for. I know that I will never see my money again, i am comfortable with that now that i am sure that justice will see Bret in serious trouble. Anyone thinking of using him or currently has a job with him please stop now or try and get your cash back as when this charge is laid his business will disappear as we know it.

Fact is Bret's phone message still say he is racing and sponsering event prizes etc but he continues to rip clients off.

[gimmemud]

Bret spends alot of time over @ Speedtalk.com goes by the username SStrokerAce.

[woodsman]

How do you know this is Bret Bowers of Bowers Racing Engines?

[POPSPV]

gimmemud. mate if you have any further contact details for him i would love to get them from you. Please email me on [email protected]

[POPSPV]

IMPORTANT NOTE. SstrokerAce on the www.speedtalk.com site is Bret Bauer of Bauer Racing Engines NY NOT Bret Bowers of Bowers Racing Engines Colorado. Please ensure you do not confuse them.

[gimmemud]

Ok I appolagise I just noticed the name Bret Bauer didnt notice the different spellings or locations, hope no one else gets him mixed up with the other one, the one on speedtalk seems pretty sharp.

[POPSPV]

Agreed. Fact is Bret Bowers is sharp also, builds a great engine etc just has gone through a bad patch and must have hit bottom as now he is stealing others hard earned cash to try and stay alive. His web site is off, clients ripped for potential $50K or more that I am aware of and now ripping suppliers, when you start doing that then you are generally at the end of your rope.

[woodsman]

sprizefighter I was wondering if you ever got your engine and if you did are you happy with it.

[woodsman]

I wanted to post this because I think you guys need to know... Bret Bowers has returned my calls and I'm under the impression that he is trying to get his business together. Just as I stated before, I think the guy is an excellent engine builder and was just overloaded with work. I talked to guys that are very happy with his work and they all told me the same thing. He can be slow but he'll build you one hell of a engine. If you have any problem with Bret, Call him, he has been answering his phone and I THINK he will make it right. He is an engine builder and he has found someone to help him with the business end of running the shop. I'm going to chaulk this experience up to his growing pains. I'll let you know how it goes. My engine is supposed to be ready to ship any day. We can post the positive on here and give credit when it's due. BEST OF LUCK TO ALL, Larry / southern prizefighter

THANK YOU! It came on an engine I purchased from BOWERS PERFORMANCE They shipped me the engine yesterday and neglected to provide me with any information on the parts or tune up

Well I am very glad that you even got your engine so that is great. But on June 12 th 2007 you said that he was shipping it any day and you got it yesterday thats 47 days later but I guess he was right about any day. And then you have to try to find out what you have on and in the engine. That is just over the top. Good luck on getting the info from Brett Bowers.

[POPSPV]

I was told that it was ready for a bout 6 weeks before my shipper finally picked it up. Then when recieved extras were missing. The engine is great, all bits an pieces for it were good. Larry recieved a picture of his engine and it is missing a stack of stuff, still not recieved and little or no contact from Bret.

Now his web site and phone number are all disconnected so looks like Bret has closed his doors and Larry and enyone elese will need to try and recover their money via legal action.

Atleast if he is closed he can not steal from anyone else.

[woodsman]

I feel deeply sorry for the people that will lose their money and hope that some can recover from the loses. Well one more crook off the streets.

[sprizefighter]

Bret did send me an engine. It's missing the blower snout, drive assembly, crank trigger, spec sheet, and it has the wrong barrell valve on it. It hasn't been on a dyno and it's missing bolts. I have filed a police report / charges against Bret with the Fort Collins Police and I'm going to sue him personaly for what he owes me. Going out of business and Bankruptsy won't do him any good! This is a criminal act of fraud and I have all the documantation of what I was supposed to be buying. I ordered the engine in January and recieved it the last Friday in July. After I had sent him a registered letter and a copy of the police report I was filing. He put me together with too many lies too many times. Bret frequents the races in the Colorado area and it sounds like he has a nice list of pissed off folks out there. He made me look like a total ass and put me in a bind without the engine. It's best he was in Colorado and not local! Beware of this guy, he'll surface someware under a different name.

[lotsof454sss]

Well sprizefighter I really hate to hear your story on the engine (suppose to be engine) but I am damn proud of you for taking the fight to him..Put his ass in a crunch is the only way to get your money or some satisfaction..Money will not always satisfy people but when you can make a guy go to jail or pay you, then that is some.. Based on your post I guess his lawyers got some more work to do besides trying to shut us up, as if he could do it anyway....PLEASE keep us posted as your on the right track..GOOD LUCK

[woodsman]

sprizefighter I feel for you I have never had one person tell me so many lies and I have known some sorry people in my life. I am so glad that you did get some parts. But before I did anything with them parts I would get someone to check it out just as if it was apart because you dont know what you have or if the parts even go together inside. I am so sorry for you man but maybe you can use some of the parts.

[bjuice]

Wes is correct..Please save yourself a bunch of heartache and get some qualified engine man to go back thru your motor..it will be worth the extra money...MY gut is telling me that Bret Probably just thrown something together to get you half way off his back..

i went thru something simliar to this about 7 yrs ago..when i took off my valve covers and saw the valve springs shimmed up i was smart enough to have it torn down and gone back over..the reults were as follows..

wrongs size valves (length) had to purchase new valves and springs, 10 thousandth's PVC at full adjustment,rotating assemby was 2 oz off,(could not have been balanced)
wrist pins worn out,wrong length studs in bottom end. mains.. block was oringed and wire was out of place on two cylinders..which would have caused a head gasket to blow..
How was this list for SCREWED UP DEAL...and i am not making up one thing....if anything i left something out..

.My 'good engine" man that i had go back thru the motor said it might have started and idled but once i gassed it ,it would have grenaded...it cost me another $2700 to fix the mess..but would have cost me over 10k if i had fired it...


just thought i would share my experience with you,,so you may not feel soo bad.

and for the record i have always been pretty good at top end stuff..cam shaft up..since then if i have went with a new complete motor i will have the shortblock machined,balanced and i will do the rest...

My decision to do this was a REALIZATION THAT I COULD SCREW UP MY OWN STUFF FOR NOTHING,,SO WHY PAY SOMONE LIKE THE 1ST GUY TO DO IT FOR ME ?????.

i have been luckey so far not to screw up something to bad....just take time and ask plenty of questions along the way..

Good luck my friend my heart goes out to you and anyone else that has been had this way.

Brian

[ubolt]

I'll vouch that the line is disconnected. So much for the extra parts i paid for! Fortunately its only a distributor, flexplate and "correct" length push rods.

On a differnet note, the credit card we used to pay for the engine had a mysterious $710 charge to it from a dentist office in Fort Collins. This is odd cause I live in Colorado Springs CO and our dentist is in Monument CO. Wierd. May want to check those c/c statments.

So does anyone know of a qualified builder in Colorado (Colorado Springs or Denver) that would be willing to go thru the engine again?

[lotsof454sss]

Well I hate to hear you got taken for anything and then to add a dentist bill on top of it all...Let me know if there is a charge to some fancy lawyer on there also, as Bret is suppose to be going to shut me down from telling the truth about him and his so called business...I am still waiting :lol: and yes all you others are on his LAWYERS LIST too hahahahahahahahahaha..

[zano]

probably he billed thru a dentist friend because he lost his credit card terminal privileges when i reported him for fraud on my credit card they wouldn't pay him he called and ask me to release the funds and said he couldn't get any of his money out of that account or charge credit cards until the fraud charges where settled. thats the last i heard from him he still didn't get his money from me and i can't contact him anymore so i think at least i'm going to win the fraud case and get my last payment back .if he took money out of your credit card account in the last 110 days you can despute it and they will contact his bank and if your in the right you should be able to get your money back good luck zano

[ubolt]

Dang we're on a Lawyers List too. Thats way worse than a telemarketer!


Here's the whole story..........Bret had to charge our engine cost thru a trans shop because he was "switching" his Credit Card reader service. So we got charged thru the trans shop which was fine. This occured in early July 07'. We also had him provide us with a rebuilt C4 trans that was delivered late July/early August. I would have assumed the charge would have been thru the trans shop since they provided it. So this dentist charge may be for the trans but the C/C company has put a hold on it and is investigating it. "IF" it was a legitimate charge it would have been best if he called and said he was going thru such and such to charge the amount.

It's kind of a shame cause getting a new engine should be an exciting event not a PITA. I was told a 2 week delivery for the engine but it took right at 4 months. I recon I should have pulled the plug earlier!

Thanks for the input guys and i'll keep you posted.

[zipper06]

I'll vouch that the line is disconnected. So much for the extra parts i paid for! Fortunately its only a distributor, flexplate and "correct" length push rods.

On a differnet note, the credit card we used to pay for the engine had a mysterious $710 charge to it from a dentist office in Fort Collins. This is odd cause I live in Colorado Springs CO and our dentist is in Monument CO. Wierd. May want to check those c/c statments.

So does anyone know of a qualified builder in Colorado (Colorado Springs or Denver) that would be willing to go thru the engine again?

I haven't used or talked to these guys in a few yrs.but they have a good rep. and all the necessaary tooling to check out your now suspicous engine from BB. you can check their website out and maybe talk to them.

http://www.usaengines.com/Services.htm

Zip.

[ubolt]

Got some great news today. Bret called. He did have to use his buds C/C reader to charge the trans. Whew. As for the shop phones, all the rain we've been experiencing hit him hard too. Flooded his phone box at the shop and he's had the phone company out there the past few days trying to fix it. He's planning to ship me the remainder of my parts which facilitates my mock up into the car, that helps tons. He also stressed he needs to be with there when we start up the car which eases my mind. Thats a good sign that he'll stick behind his work. Thanks for your guys input and hopefully all your issues are sorted out!

[lively]

ISN'T THAT SWEEEEEEEET!!!!!!!!!!----DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH!!! :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

[zano]

listen dispute that cc transaction soon he's just trying to make you put it off until its to late. do you think his web sight got flooded to. good luck zano

[wvhippie]

Yall haven some big water aint ya. :wink:

[slagburn]

OK. I've recently gone through living hell with Bret. I live in Fort Collins so there's no mail-order situation, you get the same thing walking through the front door.

DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING HE TELLS YOU. He told me the same garbage about his phone box getting flooded- I don't think so, that's not the way things work around here. All local vendors are stopping his charge account, phone's shut off for non-payment, same with the website. His employees bitch because people come by and yell at them for Bret's actions. How about his cell phone number? Here- 970-222-6866. He's a true con artist, the kind that will instantly defuse an angry person when they walk in the door. Once again, don't believe anything he says, he is an expert at making up stories that people fall for.

He finished my engine 3 months after he said it would be done and that was with taking a lot of time off work and stopping by multiple times per week. When I stopped to pick my stuff up (after spending several hours in the incredibly dirty, disorganized shop) he couldn't find my cam, lifters and timing set- they grew legs and walked off. Then to make matters worse he said I could write one check to be deposited immediately and leave him another signed check for the remainder that he PROMISED would only be taken to the bank when I said so and he was OK with that taking a couple weeks since all parts were paid for long ago. Well guess what, he deposited the check without any notification of any sort, which completely tanked my checking account- multiple overdraft fees went with all this. I stopped in this morning angry as hell and he put on his nice guy hat and promised to take care of everything, even saying he'd bring me cash in person at my workplace later in the day. You guessed it- no phone call, no nothing.

I have contacted the BBB and am thinking about notifying the police, unfortunately for me he did have a signed, dated check.

Bret if you're reading this SCREW YOU PAL you're gonna get what's coming to you, karma's a mean SOB.

If you have anything there get it now, it can't be long before this POS locks his doors.

[esox67]

I HAVE A BOWERS 540 STREET ENGINE WITH THE SOLID ROLLER CAM.I WAS WONDERING IF ANYONE WITH THE SAME ENGINE COULD PROVIDE ME WITH THE CAM SPECS SINCE IT HAS BEEN TWO MONTHS SINCE I RECEIVED THE ENGINE AND HAVE YET TO RECEIVE ANY SPEC OR DYNO SHEETS.I HAVE ALSO NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET IN CONTACT WITH MR. BOWERS TO ASK HIM MYSELF.MY ORDEAL WITH BOWERS IS DITTO TO EVERY NEGATIVE POST ON THIS TOPIC FROM MISSING PARTS THAT I PAID FOR,AND HAVE YET TO RECEIVE, TO PROBLEMS WITH THE ENGINE.I HOPE THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS THE UNFORTUNATE PLEASURE IN DEALING WITH THIS LIAR.

[mcracecars]

probably he billed thru a dentist friend because he lost his credit card terminal privileges

THis is not legal to do.....one business cannot charge through another business on any credid card.... if he has a bad cc reader, they will replace it next day..... dont beleive this he is charging stuff to your cc number.
get this resolved before it is too late.....

[CHEVYNOVA1964]

I HAD BRET BOWERS BUILD ME AN ENGINE AND I HAVE HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH IT I HAVE RAN IT FOR 2 YEARS NOW AND IT STILL RUNS MID 11:00 I HAVE TAKEN IT BACK AND HAD IT CHECKED IT OUT AND EVERYTHING LOOKS GREAT. AT THE END OF THE SEASON I AM PLANING TO HAVE THEM GO THROUGH IT AND MAKE IT BETTER. IT TOOK HIM ALITTLE LONGER THEM HE SAID IT WOULD BE BUT IT WAS WEARTH THE WAIT.

[knova70]

I HAD BRET BOWERS BUILD ME AN ENGINE AND I HAVE HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH IT I HAVE RAN IT FOR 2 YEARS NOW AND IT STILL RUNS MID 11:00 I HAVE TAKEN IT BACK AND HAD IT CHECKED IT OUT AND EVERYTHING LOOKS GREAT. AT THE END OF THE SEASON I AM PLANING TO HAVE THEM GO THROUGH IT AND MAKE IT BETTER. IT TOOK HIM ALITTLE LONGER THEM HE SAID IT WOULD BE BUT IT WAS WEARTH THE WAIT.Yea right! We all know that is a crock of BS! :roll:

[lively]

I HAD BRET BOWERS BUILD ME AN ENGINE AND I HAVE HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH IT I HAVE RAN IT FOR 2 YEARS NOW AND IT STILL RUNS MID 11:00 I HAVE TAKEN IT BACK AND HAD IT CHECKED IT OUT AND EVERYTHING LOOKS GREAT. AT THE END OF THE SEASON I AM PLANING TO HAVE THEM GO THROUGH IT AND MAKE IT BETTER. IT TOOK HIM ALITTLE LONGER THEM HE SAID IT WOULD BE BUT IT WAS WEARTH THE WAIT.----GEEEEEE-ANOTHER POSTER WITHOUT A LOCATION OF ANY KIND!!!!----GIVE IT UP -- :oops: :oops: 8) 8) :lol: :lol:

[lotsof454sss]

Got some great news today. Bret called. He did have to use his buds C/C reader to charge the trans. Whew. As for the shop phones, all the rain we've been experiencing hit him hard too. Flooded his phone box at the shop and he's had the phone company out there the past few days trying to fix it. He's planning to ship me the remainder of my parts which facilitates my mock up into the car, that helps tons. He also stressed he needs to be with there when we start up the car which eases my mind. Thats a good sign that he'll stick behind his work. Thanks for your guys input and hopefully all your issues are sorted out!

The phone compnay was out there for a few days huh :lol: :lol: He needs to be there when you start the car huh :lol: :lol: Sir you must not be reading all the posts in this thread or else you would STAND BY til you had...I really do hate the thought that Brett Bowers is going to ZAP you, but I can see the writing on the wall.... Please do your homework on this subject and grab your money and haul ass before they get the "phones repaired in a few days"....

[POPSPV]

It never stops amazing me how people can be so stupid. Yes he can and does build a great engine. Mine is great. He is a theif. He alsways has excuses, he will never deliver on time, he never returns or answers calls. He stole $2700- of my money and there are a number of people listed in these 5 pages who will tell you the same. The fraud police in CO will tell you the same, the Better business bureau will tell you the same, his suppliers who are getting bounced checks. I guess the world would just not operate if we didn't have monkeys who listen to the warnings provided to them. If you use him then I really hope you get ripped of as if you don't take our warnings then you deserve it.

To the guy who has made a post and lives in CO, mate I will pay you half of what ever you can get back of the money he owes me. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXx. email me on [email protected] and leave your number I would love to talk to you and tell you my storey.

*EDIT*
Please no threats are to be posted,Thanks Tom

[mcracecars]

HAD BRET BOWERS BUILD ME AN ENGINE AND I HAVE HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH IT I HAVE RAN IT FOR 2 YEARS NOW AND IT STILL RUNS MID 11:00 I HAVE TAKEN IT BACK AND HAD IT CHECKED IT OUT AND EVERYTHING LOOKS GREAT

Was that one of his 540cid engines???? :shock: :lol:

Just because a motor runs for 2 years and holds together, doesnt mean it is running up to the potential of its parts.
It is easy to loose 2 or 3 tenths in a poor valve job alone, and not even realize it until someone does the valve job correct...

It is not rocket science to bolt parts together and have the motor run and stay together.... the magic comes from the hands and knowledge of the machinist/engine builder... not from fancy shop signage or fancy expensive equipment...

These kinds of engine shops/ builders are everywere.... bottom feeders all of them, just looking to prey on some poor soul with little knowledge and is looking for a deal.... they will give you a deal alright :shock:

[CHEVYNOVA1964]

IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS ALOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEVER DELT WITH BRET (CANADA) HE HAS STOOD BEHIND HIS WORK AND NEVER RIPED ME OFF. LIKE YOU ARE TELLING EVERYONE THAT HE DOES THAT. YES HE IS ALITTLE SLOW BUT HE DOES GET THE JOB DONE.

[POPSPV]

CHEVYNOVA1964 thats great that he has never done it to you. He has in the pasty had a great reputation that is why many people have maqde the decision to use him. I am in Australia and made my decision on that fact that as at the middle of last year there were no complains logged anywhere, he had competed and done well in several JEGS competitions and that I saw he sponcered racing and there were no registered complaints with the Colorado business bureau. But something happened. The issue is for those who have been stolen from since ( and there are a large number of us now ) we can not nelieve a word he says. I believe that he had a hard time after having to put his father in to a home, but after the 800 other excuses I have heard since, the none answering of phones, return calls or emails and then receiving my shipment sort $2700- worth of items that were to be included, fact is your opionion is now outdated and worthless!!

[nomotoryet]

well i actually got on line to try and find a home number for bowers race engines.... as he has my motor, almost 10,000 of my money and wont answer any of my calls... and guess what pops up when you google his name? this forum. everything you guys are saying sounds so painfully familar. bret says ohh just send me money when you get it and ill hold it for you untill you have payed me. well guess what i sent him the last bit i owed in january. i live in maine so its not like i can just run out and check on what is taking so long. so i fly out to colorado in april to check what is going on. Yeah scott your motor is almost done just waiting on some parts, but it will be done in a week. well its mid sept and i still havent even heard from him. if anyone has any ideas please let me know.

brett (if you read this):
this is a really crappy way to introduce a young guy into racing i will say that.

[topsportsman1]

Have you called this number? 970-222-6866

Where in Maine are you?

[nomotoryet]

topsportsman1
i just got that number off this site tonight so iam going to call in the morning. and i live in biddeford maine right now. Its in the bottom of the state, what they call northern mass.

[nomotoryet]

guess who answered the phone this morning? ohh yeah scott we were just talking about your motor this morning we are going to get on top of it this coming week. Why dont you call me mid next week and we can set up a time to pick it up.
just got off the phone with tracy as you all know she said ill spend a lot of money with no guarentee of getting anything. but i guess we will see what my call mid week brings

[POPSPV]

ONE LUXURY THAT YOU HAVE IS THAT YOU ARE ONY A FEW HOURS AWAY. TIME FOR YOU TO MAKE IT GAME ON. THE PROBLEM THATYOU HAVE IS THAT YOU ARE THINKING THAT IF YOU JUST WAIT HE WILL GET YOU YOUR MOTOR JUST AS YOU ORDERED IT 12 MONTHS AGO!!! MAN IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO GO TO HIS SHOP ON A MONDAY MORNING AND DO NOT LEAVE UNTIL YOU HAVE YOUR ENGINE OR A STACK OF PARTS THAT YOU THINK YOU COULD SELL FOR THE MONEY YOU HAVE INVESTED ON THIS SITE OR ANOTHER. NO MORE CRAP FROM THIS GUY. NO INTERNET SITE, NO LAND LINE PHONE, IT TELLS YOU HE IS IN HIDING FOR A REASON. TRYING TO LAY LOW FOR AS LONG AS HE CAN AND ALL THIS WASHES OVER AND THEN PEOPLE WILL FORGET. I HOPE HE STRAIGHTENS UP, BUT I WILL NEVER TRUST HIM AGAIN. I WILL NEVER FORGET THIS TRANSACTION AND WHEN I AM IN COLORADO NEXT I WILL BE SURE TO POP IN AND GET MY MONEYS WORTH. YOU SHOULD DO THE SAME. GOOD LUCK AND MAKE SURE YOU KEEP US POSTED ON HOW YOU GO. PLEASE ENSURE YOU CALL DETECTIVE GAZA FROM THE COLORADO FRAUD SQUAD AND SHE WILL BE ABLE TO HELP YOU WITH PRESSURE. THAT IS THE ROAD THE ORGINATOR OF THIS FORUM TOOK AND HE RECIEVED AN INCOMPLETE BUT HIGH VALUE ENGINE. NOT WHAT HE ORDERED BUT AT LEAST SOMETHING

[nomotoryet]

well today is monday and i thought i would call just to see is he would answer the phone. supriseingly he did!!! and he actually is still promising the same day. still suppose to call wens. to set up the dyno day and pick up. i have to say my hopes are up and i am in this dangerous spot were maybe all his excuses arent bs maybe all of it is true and mayb e he does just take a long time. he even claims he is going to have my spec sheet and all. however iam still talking to the fraud people just in case.
keep you posted
scott

[WVProStreet]

I'm still waiting on my spec sheet from 6 months ago. :roll:

[zano]

i'm not sure who is better off you with no specs or me with 2 different sets of specs and 2 dynoes

[woodsman]

I have a strong feeling nomotoryet.

[woodsman]

well today is monday and i thought i would call just to see is he would answer the phone. supriseingly he did!!! and he actually is still promising the same day. still suppose to call wens. to set up the dyno day and pick up. i have to say my hopes are up and i am in this dangerous spot were maybe all his excuses arent bs maybe all of it is true and mayb e he does just take a long time. he even claims he is going to have my spec sheet and all. however iam still talking to the fraud people just in case.
keep you posted
scott

Is my feeling still right nomotoryet???

[nomotoryet]

ok enough is enough i need to know how many people have been screwed, how they got screwed, and how much for. my wife is in law school and although she cant practice law in the state of colorado she can tell me our best course of action for free. iam going to get this turned from a civil issue to a criminal issue so the police will investigate and hopefully arrest him, liquidate the assests, hopefully pay us, and doubly put him in jail.
what ever your story is... if its for 5 bucks please email me at [email protected] or just reply back here
thanks

[nomotoryet]

POPSPV,WVPROSTREET,ZANO,WOODSMAN... did i miss anyone? i forgot to mention if this issue isnt resolved very fast then iam going to talk to a girl i know with the news up there, maybe she can pull a few strings and it will even make the news

[woodsman]

nomotoryet I hired two men to go get my money $12500.00 so I am all paid up. Well keep the faith and maybe you can get yours too.

[zano]

my stories a little different i got the d.a. after him got my engine 2 sets of papers and dynoes and wrong parts on outside [carb,manifold, no stud girdle] so i got an estimate on fixing disputed that amount of charges on c.c. and won now he is trying to sue me saying i wiped out his business because he couldn't use his terminal anymore. i can't wait till this goes to court .if the guys that are getting shafted want to. i'll use your evidence also maybe that will help you with your case. i'm waiting for there attorney to contact mine we sent all our info already brett if your reading i can't wait to counter with my attorny fees trip to colorado and all zano

[inou2]

Dang guys......this scammer stuff freaks me out! I've sold stuff here, (made honor payments each time), and dealt with some great people. I never have bought anything due to these horror stories. I'm building another car now, and am buying some parts. What's the best way to conduct a transaction? C.O.D? I would appreciate some input!

[woodsman]

Dang guys......this scammer stuff freaks me out! I've sold stuff here, (made honor payments each time), and dealt with some great people. I never have bought anything due to these horror stories. I'm building another car now, and am buying some parts. What's the best way to conduct a transaction? C.O.D? I would appreciate some input!

inou2 I think if you will start a new thread in General Discussion then you will get the advice that you are looking for.You can copy your post here and put it there.

[nomotoryet]

woodsmen is that a 66 nova in your avator?

[woodsman]

woodsmen is that a 66 nova in your avator?

Yes go down to Show Off under Woodsman's 66 Nova and you can check it out.

[nomotoryet]

just a quick bit of buisness. i need bretts email and fax number if he has one my lawyer needs to fax her letter. and i would like to email him. i will keep you guys posted about the news thing and any other tid bits.

woodsmen i will be wanting to talk to you about your car if you dont mind... a 66 or 67 nova is my dream car and that is what i built my motor for. whats a little depressing is now i dont have the car or the motor. :cry:

[nomotoryet]

i also need to know if anyone knows an actual reputable machine shop to take what ever i can get out of bowers to. is there any otheres near ft collins or denver area?

[nomotoryet]

http://www.ago.state.co.us/consline/complaint.pdf

ATTENTION: Everyone needs to stop what they are doing immediately.

Print this form out, fill it out, and send it in. if your matter has been resolved a little bit, all the way, or not at all fill it out and send it. even just for the people who are getting nowhere with brett.

all of the issues we have had with brett are a civil issue which is good for him and bad for us. however if enough of these forms get sent in the state of co will investigate and then sue him. what does that mean to us: it will cost us nothing in legal fees and it is very probable we will get atleast some money back if not all of it.
like i said even if your matter is fixed please fill it out just to help us who are standing here jaw dropped wondering what the f.
email me with any questions [email protected]

[SG5219]

i also need to know if anyone knows an actual reputable machine shop to take what ever i can get out of bowers to. is there any otheres near ft collins or denver area?


Dave Slatten of Slatten racing engines.

or MADCAP racing engines.

[POPSPV]

All who have been ripped off please do this ASAP so that we can get this dog

[turbo97se]

Brett is not a scammer, he is just plain incompetent when it comes to running a business. My engine was in there for 1 year before it was done. I was there almost daily to make sure it got done towards the end. I know he has outright lied to me before. I asked him to do another engine for me but nothing has happened .. that was 5 months ago. I guess I should just stop by and pick all my shit up

[woodsman]

turbo97se I think it would be safe to say that you should get your parts if he has not sold them to someone else that don't have a spec sheet.

[sb4061]

same old story he always had excuses and it took forever to get didnt ship everything with didnt have the right parts that were suppose to be in there and 2yrs later still dont have dyno or spec sheet :twisted:

[lotsof454sss]

Well since it is so easy for you to get your stuff, would you mind getting back all the money he has of other peoples in "HIS POCKET"...I am sure they would ALL appreciate it..Thanks alot

[nomotoryet]

hey he actually answered the phone thursday. and i have to give credit where credit is due. he did admit he is way overwhelmed with to much work and he didnt actually make up some bs excuses about when my motor will be done. but with that said we will see if he actually calls me this week. i wont hold my breath

[woodsman]

That could not have been the Brett that I dont want to know.

[POPSPV]

turbo97se, I guess you have not read the list of people he owes money to like me. If someone has your money and will not return calls and emails etc then they are a scammer. That is what he is. Dont be fooled he is a dirt bag

[zipper06]

I wouldn't hold my breath while getting back your money from Brett, he can't even clear a $200.00 check.

This is posted on RBS superchargers site for bad pay/bounced checks.

Bounced checks or no pays
RBS Superchargers has unfortunately had a few customers
bounce checks or decide not to pay there bill at all.
This is not how RBS does business.
If your name is on this list, take care of your bill and we
take your name off the list.
CAMERON NEAVES PULLING Macadoo, TX
$1,666.62 120 days past due
BOWERS RACING ENGINES Fort Collins, CO
$3,230.09 & $225.12 Bounced checks
120 days past due

Zip.

[lotsof454sss]

Hey Zip, do you think Brett will add their name to the long list of people he is going to sue :?: Just think this guy has worked his whole life to get where he is at :roll:

[zipper06]

Hey Zip, do you think Brett will add their name to the long list of people he is going to sue :?: Just think this guy has worked his whole life to get where he is at :roll:

What bothers me most is that people keep comming on here and defending him. I personally donot think he deserves another engine build, but that's my opinion only.
At the very beginning of the post of Brett Bowers ( which has probably been deleted by now) I said that i met him 18 yrs. ago while in Fort Collins at a friend of mines shop Bob Street and my tuner for my promod vette. At that time Bob Street was doing his mechaning and he was only assembling engines. I said i was not impressed then and i'm less impressed now, that was 6 mos. ago.
At any rate some people need to get their head together and realize, he's not the best engine builder in the world and for sure he uses your money to build the last few persons engine that he promised months ago.
JMO

Zip.

[turbo97se]

Yes I think I will go and pick up my stuff from there. It isn't getting done anyway. I recently heard that he is bouncing checks on his own employees. Not sure what is going on there. I think it really is too bad. He is an excellent engine builder .. when he eventually gets to it. I have seen $10K to $20K engines just sitting around doing nothing cause they're just waiting on parts that never got ordered. If he could just get his act together!

[POPSPV]

turbo97se why dont you try this. when you go see him and ask for your stuff back say to him that you also would like my money $2700- and that you want him to explain why he hasn't given it to me. you could even ask him to call me while your there. I will give you my number so you can ask him to show his real colours to you while your there. I am in Australia so I dint have the option of just dropping in. also what phone numnber have you been able to get him on?

[nomotoryet]

he actually called me today with a progress report. we will see what happens like i said the last time iam not going to hold my breath thats what i have a lawyer for. but the number he has been answering is the shop number 970 226 6040.

[POPSPV]

The interesting thing that I and many many others have discovered about Bret's progress reports are that they are generally all false. he provides you with an update that you hope to hear and keep you holding on to hope. I was told for about 5 weeks that my engine was on the dyno, and then had my freight forwarder cancelled about 6 times over 6 weeks after being told it was complete and just needed to be packed. Also an interesting thing that seams to happen to many people is that the dyno sheet or spec sheets from him is a reall issue, i have never recieved a solid spec sheet and have recieved a dyno sheet that is different to what i was told by him overthe phone and dated about 4 weeks after he told me it had been on the dyno. Take what you want from this. I woudl be going elsewhere if i was you

[nomotoryet]

has anyone got anything from this clown or even heard anything???
let me know where people are at

[POPSPV]

I ordered December 2006 and recieved my 540 May-June 2007. Less the xtras that he neglected to freight

[lotsof454sss]

Based on the info in the whole thread would you say that just maybe the members on this site may have added enough pressure that it helped in getting the engine at all :?:

[nomotoryet]

just in case anyone cares i finally got most of my engine. i bought a plane ticet flew out there and wouldnt leave till he gave me what he had. now that iam back home i am back to the same bs with getting the missing stuff

[trukmannn]

If anyone is interested, Brett Bowers was arrested for theft and fraud. It is beleived that he wrote over $100,000 in bad checks to vendors and did not provide products to customers which were paid for. There are currently 8 victims listed in the suit. Are there any more out there not included?

All subjects are presumed inocent unitl proven guilty.

[nomotoryet]

wait wait i am a victim how do i get listed

[Tod74]

wait wait i am a victim how do i get listed

lol at the user id

[fordmad]

Sounds just like Ty at TLI racing.

All the excuses and reassurance under the sun and nothing but pissed off customers !

Glad to hear this guy Brett Bowers has been arrested, one Fraudster less !

[chuckintermill]

Bret has opened shop again. His new name is Racing Engine Design. He was on the radio this morning.Phone number is 970-226-6040

[nosnerd]

hello...NOOb here :D


great place to hang!


hey is that your chevy II in your avatar??


alan

aka NOSNERD