ford

[ute351]

paid

[Gdaddy]

for 14500.00 id drive there carrying a baseball bat

[ute351]

paid

[fastbowtie]

Does ANYONE on this site live close enough to this jerk to pay him a visit :?: I mean come guys enough is enough This jerk has to be in someones backyard .I have even talked to a member of the RJ staff about him at the Bradenton event not much has came of that I see .I have never really done a deal or transaction with this Rip Off artist nor will I ever due to all I have read about him .Maybe its because im a southernboy but if the higher powers to be will not assist us then its up to all of us in the racing community to help our fellow racers out .Im not talking about Vigilanty Justice :twisted: but the thought does cross my mind sometimes .Come on Guys lets put our heads togther :?: & try to put an end to thease THEIVES LIVIN IN OUR BACKYARD the USA
OH YEAH if any of this is mispelled blame it on South :lol:

[lively]

HEY---I'M FROM THE NORTH AND CAN'T SPELL HALF THE TIME :oops: :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol:YES, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT THESE RIPOFF ARTIST :twisted: :twisted:

[mitchz]

Wow,
I am surprised he hasent been banned from RJ by now,this garbage has been going on for years

[jrthone]

Looks like he got another one.I brought a $550 Nos kit off him 1 year ago.he took my money and ran.I speak to him every week and he keeps spinning the same shit.im gonna keep on the cunt or i will try and pay him a visit.Im from new zealand so its a little hard tho.

[ute351]

thanks steve for your return phone call i hope u come clean like u said and sent it because other wise ill keep on posting on rj and hope u sent my engine plates back as well hope this is not BULLSHIT again ha steve email me freight number or freight paper work

[robinhorn]

What is his contact information and do you have copies of the payment you sent him. If it clearly shows his cashing you payment and not sending the product then you can file charges on him from where ever your at.

I hate to say it but if a guy is still waiting for a $500.00 nos system I don't think your motor is on the way.

By posting his real name and address, phone number and anything else may have more power then one would think.

Right now he is hidding behind a screen name and telling you B.S.

I would love to look him up and see what all he ahs been charges with and see if he is on probation now. Nothing like taking someones freedom to get them to pay up.

It's time he is put on public display.... for what he is

[lively]

THAT MIGHT BE A VERY GOOD IDEA 8) 8)

[fastbowtie]

I agree completely .Just look at all the ads he posted today and R/J is doing nothing to stop him .Maybe its because not enough of the people he has ripped off have said something to R/J or they just prefer to take his large monthly payment and do nothing .To me it makes no difference if you make Honor payments or like this RIP OFF ARTIST make a large monthly payment R/J really needs to look into this matter cause turning your head & looking the otherway only leads to everyone loosing faith & confidence in R/J thinking that they Now are only out for the all mighty Dollar.I pay my yearly fees and I also pay my Honor payments .I have been A member for a Very long time and have seen the ups & downs on this site. I understand about groing pains & this site is no exception But the higher powers need to step up & address the problems with all the Scammers & Rip Off atists and not loose site of what this started out to be .Because it does seem to me like they are now chasing the all mighty Dollar and ignoring some major issues. :shock:

Just my 2cents but somethings really got to change if R/J wants to be A creditable site like it started out to be .

[outlaw28]

For that much $ i would be at his door step and get what was mine!!! Be the motor,$ , or a whole lotta skin and blood!!!!! :twisted: :shock: :lol:

[fastbowtie]

Maybe if everyone that has been Ripped off by Steve Ramage would contact R/J directly and post a complaint Maybe they might do something to stop him from selling on R/J until he has at least settled with them.
Just a thought but its worth a try .

[ute351]

still waiting steve you said u would ring me back man and still havent recieved any phone calls from u or shipper hope u not giving me the same old bullshit run around ha :x :x :x :x :x :x :x

[ute351]

thanks steve i hope its true mate and u sent it

[kmiller]

You need to post in detailed how this lowlife scum sucking bottom dweller took your money, and a detailed disc. of his name and add. on this site every day.
There is only one thing worse than a scammer and thats a scammer who thinks he has gotten away with it. What comes around will! go around.
Time to start a skin the scammers club!!!!!!!!!!!

68 BBC Chevelle

[fastbowtie]

Hey Ute Can you give us an update :?: :?:

[ute351]

: :D

[ute351]

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[zipper06]

I'm not a right handed driver ( i have an Anglia with right hand drive), but not understanding your last 2 post.

Zip.

[bagracing]

Any updates on this flea?

[ute351]

yes im back in town now and yes steve did send photos and has rang me on many occasions and he does work for landys.
and yes hes dug him self out of the hole now and hes on the ball with me and hes ansering the phone and he ring me straight back if he misses my call
and thanks for all conserned partys

[chevguy65]

Glad to hear ute.

I again hope he is not blowing smoke up your skirt just to get you to leave him alone.

Let us know when you have everything you paid for.

[ute351]

we can only wait and see chevyguy65

[jrthone]

Steve its james from new zealand here again.I never recieved a ph call back back from you like you said.if you read this can you please put the money for my Pro shot fogger system back into my card.You said you would and i still havent seen it yet.Why dont you just do it so i stop hassling you.Evan if you just give me half my money back or a quarter of my money back at least i will get somthing out of it and i wont have to ring you again.Come on mate.Just give me $200 back or you could be honest and give me the whole $500.Put it in the mail in an envelope in USD evan and i can change it to new zealand currency when i recieve it to save you the hassle.My address is

James Hone
C/O Cable Price
3 Tunnel Grove
Wellington
New Zealand.


Thanks

[bjuice]

Dang this is really sad that its gotten to the point where the man is asking just $200.00 of his $500 back......SEND THE MAN HIS MONEY BACK YOU MAGGOT..

By the way i do know some people in New York that is some CRAZY SILICIAN ITALIANS....the whole freaking family is nuts.. Trust me ! ..i am gonna PM the man from overseas and get your last known address and for the hell of it i will run this across the people i know in NY and just see if they would be interested in collecting this mans money plus intrest..i will even throw in a few hundred to sweeten the deal..after they hear how you have screwed so many people they might just want to do it FOR REAL.........and i will Guarantee you that you will pay them whats owed to the man abroad....its the Tarallo brothers (4) of them..you might have heard of them..ages 52 thru 65 John,Nick,Frank, and,AL .the 62 yr old was my step father and he rasied me.So i do have a little more pull than just friend to friend favor....You might think i am blowing smoke,but i assure you they are real and right in your state..i just gotta see if they will want to get invloved with something so small,YOU ARE VERY FORTUNATE IN ONE ASPECT...in that you didn't screw me,,cause you would have done met the 4 brothers and me with them....So all i can say for you is i would STRONGLY SUGGEST you start doing business the right way cause you never know who you are screwing out here...your next victim could be your wake up call....
most of the time when you see people hustling other people like this..the person doing the screwing has a meth pipe stuck out his ear...ifs thats the case with you,,,..Please go get some help Man !!....that is the only thing i can think of that would cause a man to act (screw people) the way you are doing...This is a poor excuse but at least i could understand what is motivating you to do this to innocent people that has trusted you..

[b]sorry guys..i just read the mans post about wanting a little of his $$$ back and it just didn't set well with me..its not my nature to post something like this but enough is enough..i cannot tolerate a thief and a liar..i guess my post will be erased soon......but i am still gonna make that phone call to NY...Its a long shot..... but hey ya never know..they might be up for it..this is baby stuff for these guys..trust me...

Brian


ps...UTE351 PM SENT

[topsportsman1]

Steve Ramage You Can Run But You Can't Hide

Send the man all his money back or his parts.This type of business is pretty shoddy if you ask me. Well I went and looked is this your set up you purchaced? This guy is in the business to collect peoples money and keep selling it to others,Looking for another innocent person from over-seas he can bully around.

This has got to stop,It makes it bad for us honest people that try to sell on RJ.

He strings these innocent over seas buyers along with his broken promises

http://www.racingjunk.com/post/593305/NOS-PRO-SHOT-FOGGER-SYSTEM-ENGINE-KIT-02462.html



LANDYSGARAGE To: tom_mcdunnah2000 Date: 2007-04-12 21:55:24
Subject: Re: landys garage
Re: Ad #851849
Message:

On [2007-04-10 23:11:23] LANDYSGARAGE wrote:
> IM STILL WATING FOR I SEE YOU'RE NOT TO BUSY TALKING SHIT WITH THE REST OF THOSE ASSHOLES YOU'RE SUPPOSSED TO BE THE MODERATOR NOT THE INSTIGATOR . CALL ME 516 983 5596
>
> On [2007-04-10 19:44:05] tom_mcdunnah2000 wrote:
> > You can run but you can't hide Steve
> MAKE SURE YOU CALL ME ILL BE WATING


There you have it in a nut shell
This guy wants to play telephone tag,He'll answer once until he gets your money,I almost fell for it,but I questioned him and put him on the spot,he'll never answer the phone again

So Brian,kindly pass the number along to the family

Oh and another thing
Steve reads the board daily,you can take that to the bank,I've seen him here all the time HIDING

[lively]

AND THE CLOCK TICS AND THE ALARM HAS WENT OFF :idea: ---YOU BETTER WAKE UP AND PAY THE MAN :cry: :cry: :cry:

[excelerater]

biggest sccammer of all time

he should get an award,maybe a tight call with bar's prehaps

[bagracing]

Once a scumbag, always a scumbag :evil:

[slowman]

bjuice, nothing to be sorry about were all with you on this. your so right about you never know ho you screw. a guy tried screwing a friends dad on e-bay and he' a f.b.i agent. i don't have to tell you how it turned out.

[RonOwensRacing]

i cant believe someone hasn't went out there and took this old boy out behind the barn for a tune up all i can say is this old boy just needs a serious azz whoopin should we start a collection from everyone to get this job done . count me in. i hate a thief.

[skilsmoov]

I was wondering. If someone steals from you. Can you be represented by someone in his area, not nessecary a lawyer. But maybe someone of the site or someone you know in that area?

[jrthone]

Thanks topsportsman.And yes thats the item and Ad i brought. It has now changed to landys Garage because that exact ad used to belong to spdmerchant so i will ring them on Monday and maybe somone at LANDYS GARGE has the guts to give me my money or My NOS Kit back or atleast some of the money.I will keep you posted.Thanks and if anyone can go see them for me it would be much appreciated my email address is [email protected] if you can help me and especially UTE351.

[topsportsman1]

The number you are going to call Is Steve Ramage,he is the same deal,just changed the name,he thinks he is hiding on you guys and taking your hard earned money,then selling it again to another innocent victim

The guy is a real piece of work,Call the local Police on him he is in Bohemia New York

Or do a seach on the net for the county sherrif or assistant attorney general in that area,I am sure they can give you good sound advice,Even get your money back

UTE351 he is on his own now

I have messaged him asking an update and he don't have time because he is being stringed along with broken promises.All UTE351 has time to do is post smiley faces and keep getting stringed along,by his excuses,collect pictures and play telephone tag with Steve,atta-boy Steve your on a roll now,maybe UTE351 will just forget about his 14,500 Send the man his Engine and Parts,never mind teasing him with pictures,Your a real Pro Steve

I haven't got time to play games with people,and I don't have time for crooks.and Steve seems to be fitting the bill at the moment,but some have gotten their money out of him,I can say that,But don't let him Bully you,cause he is a cronic liar,and believes he does no wrong, I bet he is not selling to the boys in New York this way,they'd have his nuts up around a tree branch in the park :roll:

[cruisin]

Since he states that he s a NOS dealer has anyone contacted them? Would be easy for them to drop him if they had the correct facts.

[cruisin]

Whoever got scammed by this guy could give someone in the scammers area "Limited Power of attorney” to act in his behalf. They could file a claim against him in the courts. BUT the person selected MUST be trustworthy for all the obvious reasons...

[mytmouz]

I saw this on another site, thought you might like it.

http://forums.godragracing.com/viewtopic.php?t=54133

[RonOwensRacing]

I just wanted to let all you guy's know about Ute.
This don't really pertain to this thread but then again in a way it does
My name is Ron owens
From Ron owens racing
Ute called me about parts for his race car and ended up placing a fairly large order.
Well let me say this man handles business like it should be handled
He is a very understanding guy and knows how much effort and time it takes to send orders over sea's
I wish there was a lot more like him i sent him copies of the airway bills witch he told me i didn't have to do but just thought it was the right thing to do he could see his parts was on there way to him.
This whole trans action went smooth for us both .
I look forward to doing more business with him. great guy.

[woodsman]

Ron that makes us feel good that something can actually be done right and both parties be happy when its all over. I thank you two for a job well done.

[RonOwensRacing]

Thanks Wesley And i also want to thank Ute.
I hate to see people get riped off and i know that the people from other countries are afraid to deal with us since there so far away and it makes it hard for them to do anything about it.
I hope i have helped restore some faith in the USA that not everybody is a crook.
UTE gave us another chance and I hope the others do also .
THANKS TO ALL Ron Owens
RonOwensRacing.com

[bjuice]

:D :D

[bagracing]

Did Ute351 ever get payed or his engine?

[sc646n]

Is this Steve Ramage the same A$$H@L# that represented himself as R&S Competition Machine in West Babaloon NY.? A couple of years ago he addvertised a 582ci race motor on Race Junk under the name of speed merchant. I talked with him and he told me this was a engine with very low runs that he had removed from his 10.5 Camaro to replace it with a larger motor. He stated that he had freshened it with new rods, pistons and ect. He stated that the motor was as new! When I ask him who did the work he stated that he was a race engine builder and give me a bunch of names of racers he did work for. He also stated he was good friends with Scott Shafiroff and when needed did work for him. We come to a price of $8500.00 and the engine was to be shipped right after recieving my money. 1st thing that happened was it took almost 2 months to get the motor. I called him almost every day and he always had some sort of excuse as to why it was not his fault. I did realize that he was on the East Coast and I was on the West Coast but not 2 months. I expected about 2 weeks at least. When I did get the motor I put it in my dragster right away for a race that weekend. When I was filling the car with water I noted that it seemed to never get full. When I checked the oil I found the oil full of water. I removed the engine and after removing the intake found a hole in the block in the lifter valley. I called Steve and he said this was something they had missed but told me that if I shipped the motor back to them at my expence they would plug this hole. I plugged it myself due to the expense of shipping. Next I put the motor back in the car and started it. At start up it shook so bad that I shut it off for fear of shaking the car apart. Again I contacted Steve and he told me to check the dampner to make sure they had put a internally balanced dampner on it and to also check that I had used the proper flex plate. I did all this and missed my race.(I was #3 in points) I contacted him and again was told that I could ship the motor back to him but due to back log of work he could not promise I would have the motor back to finish the season. Instead I took the engine to a local engine builder Eastco Machine and they disassembled it to find that the engine had not been balanced, The new rods were used, the new pistons were used with cracks in the skirts and the block had a crack in the #4 main that some onr had tryed to weld up. I was told that the motor look like someone had swept the shop floor and used all the garbage to build a motor. I called steve with the findings and faxed him a copy of Eastco Machines report. I called him back after giving him a chance to look the report over and he said he owed me some money for the motor and all my trouble. Needless to say that money never came and when I tryed to contact hin again the phone number was no good. I called Shafiroff and Scott told me that in fact he was a friend of Steves and was even his best man at his wedding but would no never do busness with him. Anyway this is my sob story about the CROOK. Does anyone out in www land have his phone number or address? Im sure I will never get any thing back from him but would take great pride in some how making his life pure HELL!!!!! By the way, Due to him I ended up 32nd in Div. 6 points that year. You can contact me direct at [email protected]

[topsportsman1]

Here is your man,he is still at it under another name But its Steve

http://www.racingjunk.com/post/593305/NOS-PRO-SHOT-FOGGER-SYSTEM-ENGINE-KIT-02462.html

Notice all the nice engines and such he has 4 sale,word of advise BEWARE and stay far away

As stated above UTE351 needs to reply to this thread and give us an update

This guy Steve is bad news,as the thread has already reflected this.
Hey Steve post up!!He won't because he has NO BALLS.
But he is posting away on RJ every day LOOKING for another easy VICTIM

[excelerater]

I dont know how the guy sleeps at night.....
Steve AKA Porky are one and the same

[bagracing]

This guy is a POS

[ute351]

hi fellow racers yes i havent forgotten about my engine and yes im realy pissed about the deal that i didnt get
but wait as i scrolled through forums i read a post about steve at landys and post stated that steve got nothing to do with landys and stop running landys down
the next best thing to do was ring ralph him self and tell him from the horses mouth about steve and he said are you shaw about that so i sent all the paper work over to him and ralph got onto it straight away and rang me to say that hes write onto it know and he assured me i would get my motor or my money back

ps and again landys is only baby sitting steve /porky ore what ever name he uses
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY I WILL GET MONEY OR MOTOR DONT WORRIE ABOUT THAT
EVER DOG HAS HIS DAY AND BOY ARE THE DAYS GETTING SHORTER

[cb75]

Hey ute351, I'm in the same boat as you - being in Australia and having some guy in the US jerk me around on a motor deal. It's not the same guy as you, but it's been a year and still getting the run around and rubbish excuses.

Have you looked into the legal side yet? I think the only way I'll get my money back is by initiating a fraud suit, but how to commence proceedings?

Any of you USA guys got any suggestions? Went through Better Business Bureau and they did fvck all, and "could not resolve the dispute". That was the only agency that I got a reply on, after complaining to the list of different US Gov agencies that is mentioned in this forum.

[ute351]

thanks

[ute351]

mate

[bagracing]

still waiting im knot going away steve ill be here tell i get my money dont care how long it takes ha mate all so called mateFace it this guy wont have your money or your motor.If you get a motor from him it will blow up on the first pass or it wont have all the parts inside.

*EDIT* bY Bjuice

[bagracing]

ttt

[Tod74]

[quote=ute351]

*EDIT* bY Bjuice


LOL...must have had something "not so nice" nice to say. :lol:

[vincef]

Hey ute351, I'm in the same boat as you - being in Australia and having some guy in the US jerk me around on a motor deal. It's not the same guy as you, but it's been a year and still getting the run around and rubbish excuses.

Have you looked into the legal side yet? I think the only way I'll get my money back is by initiating a fraud suit, but how to commence proceedings?

Any of you USA guys got any suggestions? Went through Better Business Bureau and they did fvck all, and "could not resolve the dispute". That was the only agency that I got a reply on, after complaining to the list of different US Gov agencies that is mentioned in this forum.

CB / UTE - call the local police department where the piece of crap lives or does business. They can advise you what to do or who can help. People on here list the IC3.gov and BBB but those rarely do crap because they are just about political BS (eg BBB) or too busy to care about your situation (eg IC3.gov). Call the local police where this person does business. It worked to start getting my money back as I was out $4000 at one time and I am getting $5000 in return. Took me two years but persistance paid off. I filled a lawsuit but that did not do shit. A career crook who is broke knows they do not have to actually pay the settlement amount. Which means you have to put liens against things they own worth money or garnish wages. This takes time and legal fees add up but worth it because you can collect legal fees and on top of the amount owed.

[topsportsman1]

Name change folks BEWARE

New Name PKYSPDSHOP

Just to show you this guy has more faces then a pail of smelts

Ole Steve is up to his same ole tricks,he keeps running but he can't seem to hide,but he keeps taking the honest mans money and nothing done about it

Some one needs to make Steve pay restitution to these folks he has stolen from

PORKY'S SPEED
#3 RTE 34N
COLTS NECK, NEW JERSEY 07722
732-425-3314

Steve (Porkey) Ramage

[bagracing]

I knew i smelt a pig :twisted:

[edvancedengines]

We need Ryan to give Tom authority to remove advertisers now!

Tom or any number of us can immediately spot his ads no matter what he is calling himself or where he claims he is living.

Won't do anything to help those scammed already but will cut down on who he can scam.

Besides all else the stuff he advertises he makes the prices so cheap that those who are really advertising a good deal look like high prices compared to Mr. Porky SpeedMerchant.


Maybe Tom you can talk with Ryan about making a blanket header addition to every ad about if you are buying from a seller in a different country, to check that seller's reputation before you buy. I am sure his local BBB has pages on him. I'll bet that if you just do a search in a search engine you will uncover him very often in Racingunk and in other sites where his names come up.

Before you buy Do a Search Engine Check. Before you buy from a different country check deeper.

Gone are the days when you can trust someone becuase they are a racer. I do remember those days but they are gone.

Ed

[RonOwensRacing]

Ed this is a shame and a disgrace to the honest business people everywhere .
and i can tell you that UTE is a honest man he has been buying from me now for awhile and as a matter of fact he just placed another order with me very good guy and super nice guy to talk to i wish i had a thousand customers like him .
And i hope that he gets some kind of settlement out of him and i know he's not the only one this guy needs taken care of once and for all.
Someway some how .

[ute351]

thanks

[ute351]

HI ALL YOU FELLOW RACES NOW I CAN COME ON THIS SITE AND SAY THAT STEVE DID COME CLEAN WITH THE MONEY.
i DID GO TO nEW jERSEY AND KNOCK ON HIS DOOR AND THE FIRST THING HE SAID HOW MUCH DO I OWE YOU AND HE SAID NO WORRIES,24 HOURS LATER HE GAVE ME THE CASH IN FULL SHINNEY BILLS.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ALL THE BULLSHIT THAT WAS SAID ABOUT STEVE OFF RACING JUNK AND I GOT GOT HTERE HE HAS TAKEN ALOT OF SHIT BY PEOPLE BUT HEY I SEEN IT WITH MY OWN EYES HE HAS A LOT OF CONTACTS OUT THERE AND HE HAS TOP OF THE ART ENGINE ROOM AS WELL AND GOOD BLOCKES THAT WORK FOR HIM (CUP CAKE.. MATTY..ANDREW AND THE BRAINS BEHIND IT STEVE HIMSELF.
AND REGARDS OF THE MAN IN NEW ZEALAND IVE SEEN THE RECIEPT THAT HE HE SENT THE MONEY BACK TO HIM SO I DONT KNOW WHY HE IS GOING ON LIKE THAT FOR AND IM NOT TAKING SIDES IM READING THE FACTS WITH MY OWN TWO EYES.
HES GOT ALOT OF GOOD DEALS AROUND AS WELL EVERY BODY KNOWS ROME WASNT BUILT IN A DAY SO GIVE THE MAN A GO BECAUSE YOY DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE MISSING OUT ON THE DEAL OF A LIFETIME JUST BECAUSE HE DOESNT ANSWER THE PHONE BECAUSE HE IS ON IT MAKING PEOPLE HAPPY SO THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THE MATTER.
I REALLY ENJOYED MYSELF ON MY STAY IN NEW YORK THANKS TROY FROM DOWN UNDER.

[Gimmethakick]

You had to go from Australia to New Jersey to get your money and now your proclaiming how good a guy he is?

[bjuice]

mmmmm..mmmmmm.mmmmm

Troy Let me ask you 2 Questions here..please answer them Honestly

1- Why did you make the trip to New jersey?
2- How much did that trip cost you ( from start to finish)?


Brian

[lotsof454sss]

Glad to hear you got "YOUR MONEY"...but lets look back and see when you started trying to get it or at least when you started this thread...Date is included...
Quote
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:06 am Post subject: steve ramage speedmerchent i wont my motor "or money

ill keep posting on her till i get money or motor steve weather u move to new jersy or stay in new york u owe me $14.500.US FOR SBF&TRANS GIVE ME WHAT IS EASYA GIVE WHAT I PAYED FOR
End quote


Now in my counting that is close to 10 months and a trip half way around the world...Form your own opinions from the information.....Oh by the way, can I use $14,500 of your money for 10 months interest free :?: ... I am just trying to keep this all in perspective..

[Scorpion1110]

I can't figure it out-If someone received cash for services, did not provide the services, held your cash for a year and then made you travel half way around the world to collect your receipt, how does that automatically make that person now a good guy? And what does it matter if he has a good engine building room?

I think we should now all sit around the campfire, hold hands and sing cum-bai-ya.

Later Racers.

[Sox]

I was reading these posts on this Steve dudeand watching Pinks all out at Maple grove and guess who was interviewed on the show none other than Steve Ramage.Now you can put a face to the name if you watch the show..I have seen this guy before at the track I will sure steer clear of this guy...

[ute351]

at the end of the day i did leave it for a long time but my buinness commitments in my job made it hard to just get up and go its my fault for leaving it so long but at the end of the day i got back what was owed to me and a good trip that i ijoyed and im going back in march april for twelve mouths so thats all im going to say about it its finished how lets all get on with it

does any body want to buy my bunissness its up 4 sale i transport houses all over western australia for magor minning companys got good turn over hae six trucks and eight low loaders its 80 percent profit for every dollars u make thanks message me for my email address thaks troy from down under

[mopar1968]

If i had to travel that far, i don't care if he gave me his house it still don't make it right, too many folks have been taken by him.

[ute351]

have fun