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    Welfare System

    Just wondering what some of you think about welfare and food stamps etc...What SHOULD the criteria be to get it? People gota eat,especially children, but at what point should someone be responsible for their own actions and situation they put themselves in?

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    I have often compared check stubs with a guy I work with while complaining about how much I get taxed. I paid in almost 15 grand last year in taxes and got back $1500 at tax time. He paid in 8 grand and got back almost $6000 at tax time. I make a little more than him but not much...He makes $22.00 and change per hour.He Just had a brand new house built...he moved in last October...His wife drives a 2 year old Mini van, she doesn't work and they have 3 kids. He drives a clunker and His house payment is over $900 a month and his wife's van payment is almost $300 per month. He told me yesterday he gets $430 a month in food stamps. I could not believe it. .I understand.He is working and doing all he can...BUT last summer when he decided to have the house built we had already started to slow down. He was told by a bank that he was approved for $130,000.00 mortgage even though HE ALREADY had a 6 year old home and a $675 a month payment. He bought this home before even selling the old one.I have been to his old house it was pretty nice, not a slumb by no means, so he didn't NEED a new one, just wanted one, so he took a gamble and was lucky enough to sell the old before the new was finished. He made a stupid move with the new house and over extended himself, now the tax payers are feeding his wife and kids.
    Here is the part that bugs me..I asked how he could get aid while he makes that much money and just bought a new house...he said it was because of his net income for the month was too low for a family of 5, and that they asked him what his bills were but never questioned the recent house purchase and took his word for it on what his bills were. They also stopped taking FEDREAL taxes out of his check when we first went to 4 days a week due to how he claimes dependants.Meanwhile my car is sitting because I can't afford to run it and I drive a $500 POS to work. I can't afford to drive my Dually to work anymore , and I can't finance another car right now due to the decreased hours at work and the poor economy. It just pisses me off. He makes it a point to rib me about the amount of taxes we pay and how he makes less per hour than I do but brings home more.He brings home more on 4 days a week than I did on 5...because I am single without children.
    Now, in his defense, he didn't get the food stamps until we were cut back to 4 days a week. He could no longer pay his bills and his kids have to eat...I get that, but he put himself in that position, and he even had a deck put on the house a month or so ago. He bought the deck used from a guy at work, and they moved it to his house on a flat bead.I don't know what he paid for it but it wasn't real cheap based on the way he talked when he bought it.PLUS He had to pay the guy to move it for him.

    Rant over, just curious what you guys think.

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    See I hate people like that. I knew this one lady that didnt have to work cuz all she would do is get pregnant. She has like 6 kids form the last time i know of and that was bout 3 years ago. She made more than I did as a SGT in the Army with 9 years and a wife. I couldnt believe that. But I know exactly what you mean when people live outside their money intake and get fed help. I used to barely live paycheck to paycheck till I got out of the service and now I suckled up my pride and went to Iraq as a civilian. Even now I still have to worry bout money. I am still taxed just like every hard working American is. OK I will stop now I hat eit when I write books on here :lol:
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirkaDirka

    I suckled up my pride and went to Iraq as a civilian. Even now I still have to worry bout money. :
    I would worry more about ending up the star of a video called

    " How to Remove an American's head in 5 easy Chops "

    I don't hate him for it the kids got to eat but he should have to be held accountable in some way...he doesn't want to mess up his credit by letting bills go or filing ch13 ,so the system bails him out. We all have to buy gas to get to work and groceries before anything else.. and if there isn't enough left over that week to pay the bills on time,we would have to let them go/pay late or whatever so we can eat.If our credit gets screwed up or we have to find a cheaper car or another place to live , then that's just life.

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    Dont hate him for playing the system, some people believe they are "entitled" no matter what the circumstances are.

    Me and the Ex have a child with Celebral palsy, she can't walk, talk or feed herself, 100%DISABLED ok, while I was married to her I supposely made too much money for her to draw a SSI check, we were a one income family now - basically lived from pay check to pay check as most folks do.
    I knew of other parents with disabled children that were drawing a check for their child, made more money than I did, I even knew of one family that got a pool put in there back yard and a had a special van given to them.
    It's about saying the right thing at the social secruity office.

    I remember our interview well, they asked lots of questions about personal recreational property > I.E. boats, racecar etc.
    Yeah I got a 14 foot jon boat that leaks with a 78 mercury 9.9 so what? Maybe worth all of $500 and yeah I had a hooptie dragcar that might be worth 3K, of which I saved and built myself and yes my wife drives a BMW but wait its a 81 and my mom gave to us, see where I'm going with this?

    We were honest and got NIL> maybe we should of lied adn drove up in my beat up 78 ford f-150 tow vehicle?

    Now after a divorce she draws a check but it's miniscule, I think $200 and NO EBT card - they tell her I pay too much in child support to get a full check or EBT card!

    Maybe she should of lied.

    Bottom line is the system we have in place is a joke, there are so many ways to get around it, only scammers and greedy money motivated people who know how to rip people off actually reap any of the benefits.

    Hard working HONEST tax payers like you and most of us are the ones putting the bill.

    I feel your pain Tod.

    My suggestion to you would be to get married, have a stringer full of kids, buy a big house you KNOW you CAN'T afford and lie thru your teeth when you go to the social security office.


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    WHEN I READ THINGS LIKE THIS IT MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL, WHEN THE PEOPLE THAT NEED MONEY FROM THE SSI PROGRAM LIKE YOU AND YOUR EX GET SCREWED AROUND OR DENIED. I AM A BUILDING MANAGER ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHICAGO, ABOUT 80% OF THE APPLICANTS COLLECT SSI AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM. IT IS COMMON KNOWLEGE THERE ON HOW THEY GET IT. FIRST THEY GO TO ONE OF THE LAWYERS THAT ADVERTISE IN THE COMMUNITY AS SOCIAL SECURITY SPECIALISTS, LAWYER SENDS THEM TO THERE DOCTOR TO BE DIAGNOSED WITH A CONDITION THAT CANT DISPROVED OR PROVED.( ANXIETY, DEPRESSION, FIBROMIALGA. ETC...). DOCTOR ESTIMATES HOW LONG THIS PERSON HAS HAD THIS CONDITION. LAWYER APPLIES FOR SSI BASED ON HOW LONG THIS PERSON HAS BEEN DISABLED. SSI PAYS A RETRO ACTIVE CHECK FOR THE TIME THAT THE DOCTOR ESTIMATES THIS PERSON HAS BEEN DISABLED. LAWYER TAKES THAT CHECK, THE PERSON GETS ABOUT $670 A MONTH THERE AFTER. ALSO EACH CHILD ALSO GETS A CHECK FOR BEING A CHILD OF A DISABLED PARENT BECAUSE THEY ARE CONSIDERED DISABLED. THIS HAS BEEN EXPLAINED TO ME BY MANY THAT APPLY FOR RENTAL. AND WE WONDER WHY THIS COUNTRY IS GOING BROKE, I AM STARTING TO FEEL LIKE A FOOL FOR WORKING. WELL IM DONE WITH MY RANT, TIME TO GO BACK TO WORK!!

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    :evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted:
    Ditto to all above.
    Those in the program have an underground network of communication and they all know how to get into the full offering of programs.
    This is sucking the very life out of the working man.
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    I know what you are saying also i have a customer that is 26 years old he has a girl friend that they live together he works at a landscaping company make pretty good money now his girlfriend that he lives with they have tow kids together he has 2 kids by another girl and one by the one before her .
    Now he has to pay child support for all those kids but one the mother didn't want him around so he was fine with that. that also pisses me off when a person does that crap.
    Anyway the one he is with now and live together the girlfriend goes down and get welfare check and food stamps medical card and signed up on HUD program so there rent is 75.00 dollars a month he is buying parts for his race car and has a fairly new truck to tow with and does a ton of side work all in all he makes good money and they both are living off the system and every time he walks in my blood pressure goes up and he just tells me how great he is doing some times i almost want to go and report him then i start thinking about those babies .
    The only good thing that he is paying child support they take it out of his check although two of them it is going right back to him they don't know he lives with her and he gets that money back. THE SYSTEM SUCKS

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    Tod,

    Does thuis guy have a ton of kids or what?

    There is no way you can convince me that a guy making 22/hr, even if he is only working three days a week can collect 430 bucks a month in food stamps unless he has about 6 or 8 kids or he is cheating the system. No way..........

    Thats friggin rediculous.

    And for those who are playing the system, why on earth would you want to limit yourself to such a small income from the government when everyone in some way has the opportunity to try to ligitimently make as much $$$$$ as they can in our countr, build a credit rating and have a respectable self worth......

    AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, It just hit me...

    If someone who plays the welfare system has a lil somth'em somth'em comming in every month to take care of the roof over their heads and put some food on the table, they can work that street corner peddling their street perscriptions, they can collect non taxable cold hard cash, get federal and state aid, and at the end of the year, collect an income tax check 8 to 10x the amount of their gross earnings.

    POS way to live your life if you ask me.....

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    He has 3 kids. ages 4 ,6 and 8 . And a wife that is a stay at home mom.

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    you could report him,but like was said you may just hurt the kids.

    It is the system that pays you to do less. :? :?

    you work harder to pay for someone else to work less. :evil: :evil: :evil: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

    so what is worng with that. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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